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Old 19-06-2018, 04:38 PM
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There can't be much doubt of purpose as far as the Buddhism goes: it's the cessation of suffering. I'm aspiring to the real-lived buddhism so that a Buddhist thread would emanate the metta characteristic of actually-lived Buddhism. If people want the official Buddhist line on metta they can look it up on google, but I'm talking of the real-life feeling loving kindness and pure intent. It's only a question of if that is really true-to-life or not. If so, then great, the heart is outpouring, and if not, then Buddhism, not as a religion, but in real-life, is the resolution, the healing and purification, the cessation which is the purpose (for the religious narrative on purpose, google 4 noble truth).
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Old 19-06-2018, 05:11 PM
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Metta

In the Dhammapada the Buddha said, "A beautiful word or thought
which is not accompanied by corresponding acts is like a bright
flower which bears no fruit. It would not produce any effect." So,
it is action, not speculation, it is practice, not theory that
matters. According to the Dhammapada, "will" if it is not followed
by corresponding action does not count. Therefore, practice of the
"Noble Principles of the Metta Sutta" is the essence of Buddhism.



Metta Sutta.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi...1.08.amar.html
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Old 19-06-2018, 07:13 PM
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How do you know your opinion is true? What is it based on? Can you name one objective source that would support this opinion of yours?

None of the people you listed ever claimed to be a Buddha.

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Tolle, Mooji, Watts, Merton, Krishnamurti, Ram Dass, Yogananda, Castenada, Rajneesh, Ramana Maharshi, Bede Griffith, Khandro Rinpoche, it's everywhere in movies, music, and on and on...one could argue most of those were influenced by Buddha's teachings though. And lets not forget Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates
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None of these people have ever claimed to being even close to being a Buddha.

Tolle, Mooji, Watts, Merton, Krishnamurti, Ram Dass, Yogananda, Castenada, Rajneesh, Ramana Maharshi, Bede Griffith, Khandro Rinpoche

Tolle had an open heart experience, Watts doesn't even claim to be an Arhat, Krishnamurta, Ram Dass and Yogananda follow a different tradition and never even claimed One like Siva. Krishnamurta tried but he was also addicted to smoking. A clear sign of attachments which is well below an arhat.

Ramana followed and preached Advaita Vedanta which is very different than Buddhism. Advaita Vedanta and Ramana specifically preached that silence was the goal. In Buddhism that is only one side of the coin. Void/silence = form is the other side.. Actually it is void=form and form=void are one and the same.

Khandro Rinpoche is a Rinpoche and has never claimed to be a Buddha.

Castenada was a shaman which is a level 6, 3rd eye guy. Never claimed to be a Buddha.

Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates were philosophers which is about thinking. It is completely different than the realization that the Buddha was teaching.

Here is the Buddha on the subject.

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Then Mahamati the Bodhisattva-Mahasattva spoke to the Blessed One, saying: You speak of the erroneous views of the philosophers, will you please tell us of them, that we may be on our guard against them?

The Blessed One replied, saying: Mahamati, the error in these erroneous teachings that are generally held by the philosophers lies in this: they do not recognize that the objective world rises from the mind itself; they do not understand that the whole mind-system also arises from the mind itself; but depending upon these manifestations of the mind as being real they go on discriminating them, like the simple-minded ones that they are, cherishing the dualism of this and that, of being and non-being, ignorant to the fact that there is but one common Essence.

On the contrary my teaching is based upon recognition that the objective world, like a vision, is a manifestation of the mind itself; it teaches the cessation of ignorance, desire, deed and causality; it teaches the cessation of suffering that arises from the discriminations of the triple world.

http://buddhasutra.com/files/lankavatara_sutra.htm
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Old 19-06-2018, 07:17 PM
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In answer to your questions.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. If you don't know the teachings, you could still be moving through the realizations, that will pertain to the Buddhist teachings, just by being open to yourself and dedicating yourself to a more conscious mindful way of living and being.

I didn't interpret the comment made, in the way you seem to be reflecting here. The knowing and becoming- of the Buddhist core teachings, can certainly be gained through the lived experience and actualized as such just by being open to yourself and allowing the process of life to build the realizations of Buddhism most naturally. For me personally, Buddhism once you have an understanding of yourself more clear and open to the truth of yourself, with an open mind, not contained by beliefs or conditioning, there is the awareness that Buddhism is nothing more than the true home within us all, if one is open to themselves that deep.

Of course that doesn't mean you call yourself a Buddhist, if you find yourself through another path, or many paths for that matter, it just means you have came to your own realizations through your daily life and practice as a self aware and dedicated human being, who is awake to (what I would say are) the 'universal truths' found in Buddhism, through any aspect of life, others, experiences which ultimately if one is open will source the truth within.


When I read your last comment and reflect upon it. The one where you say. "You cant". To me the energy behind your words is what appears to be a driving home your belief. For me personally, that shows me how the belief itself will often become the driver first and foremost, before the realization itself, meaning you are the 3 jewels when you realize this through the study, that there is nothing to drive home as you the one who is aware of himself and how he is relating and conveying himself.

So as I see this, one will be firm and closed minded about what should be and has to be. In some ways its almost like a protection of the belief and making itself certain and sure that things have to be "this is the way", which if we look at within the mind itself being like this, it most certainly depicts a level of closed thinking. Within my own deeper realization there are many ways to build the realizations that Buddhism offers us to explore within its teachings, with an open minded approach to yourself and whatever is moving outside of yourself.

To be a Buddhist you have to take refuge.

The ideals at the heart of Buddhism are collectively known as the ‘Three Jewels’, or the ‘Three Treasures’. These are the Buddha (the yellow jewel), the Dharma (the blue jewel), and the Sangha (the red jewel). It is by making these the central principles of your life that you become a Buddhist.

If you don't study the teachings of the Buddha's, you can't really call yourself a Buddhist. Well, maybe you can but any serious Buddhist wouldn't accept you as one.
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Old 19-06-2018, 07:23 PM
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There can't be much doubt of purpose as far as the Buddhism goes: it's the cessation of suffering. I'm aspiring to the real-lived buddhism so that a Buddhist thread would emanate the metta characteristic of actually-lived Buddhism. If people want the official Buddhist line on metta they can look it up on google, but I'm talking of the real-life feeling loving kindness and pure intent. It's only a question of if that is really true-to-life or not. If so, then great, the heart is outpouring, and if not, then Buddhism, not as a religion, but in real-life, is the resolution, the healing and purification, the cessation which is the purpose (for the religious narrative on purpose, google 4 noble truth).

There is much more to Buddhism that the 4 Noble Truths.

There is much more to Buddhism than your experience or mine.

That clarity or pure intent is much deeper a realization than focusing on the breath during meditation or having a nice conversations. Nice conversation and loving kindness are results of one letting go. Of ever deeper realizations of being.
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Old 20-06-2018, 02:48 AM
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To be a Buddhist you have to take refuge.

The ideals at the heart of Buddhism are collectively known as the ‘Three Jewels’, or the ‘Three Treasures’. These are the Buddha (the yellow jewel), the Dharma (the blue jewel), and the Sangha (the red jewel). It is by making these the central principles of your life that you become a Buddhist.

If you don't study the teachings of the Buddha's, you can't really call yourself a Buddhist. Well, maybe you can but any serious Buddhist wouldn't accept you as one.




Dhamma is universal and not exclusively Buddhist. The meanings of refuge are universal in the sense that Buddha means the quality of enlightenment, dhamma means the way of nature, and sangha means the spiritual community. Then you can take refuge in a real lived sense without converting to Buddhism. Then again, a person can take refuge in the formal Buddhist way without calling themselves a Buddhist. This thread works on the universal level, so people don't have to be accepted and rejected as Buddhists. In Buddhism (the real-life meaning) we don't accept some and reject others. The universal dhamma is all inclusive.
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Old 20-06-2018, 10:25 AM
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Taking Refuge.

Various Schools of Buddhism have different interpretations of what ' Taking Refuge ' means.


https://www.thoughtco.com/taking-ref...uddhist-450056
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Old 20-06-2018, 11:37 AM
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There is much more to Buddhism that the 4 Noble Truths.

There is much more to Buddhism than your experience or mine.

That clarity or pure intent is much deeper a realization than focusing on the breath during meditation or having a nice conversations. Nice conversation and loving kindness are results of one letting go. Of ever deeper realizations of being.





' There is much more to Buddhism that the 4 Noble Truths '


Sooooooo much more They are the foundation stones....

You can't build a stable house on rocky foundations.
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Old 20-06-2018, 11:45 AM
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This is how I break it down:


Refuge in the quality of enlightenment: Universal
Refuge in the personage of Buddha: sectarian


Refuge in nature's way (the way): Universal
Refuge in the holy texts: Sectariam


Refuge in spiritual community: Universal
Refuge in the community of Buddhist monks: sectarian.


The sectarian meanings are fine, but exclusive of those who aren't interested in conversion to Buddhism. The universal meanings include everyone and are in no way exclusive. It even includes serious Buddhists teehee.
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