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Old 05-05-2018, 03:35 PM
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We think about "liking" or "disliking" people, but the reality is everyone is shaped by their experiences and expectations ..sometimes the expectation to what we perceive to be our voice and the voice of others to be can be blurred. Take time to explore who you are, and realize other people are like you, doing their best and living their lives based on what they believe. Your similarities with others will amaze you, and you might begin thinking the problems that people have stem from the same type of place you own problems stem. An old maxim is to see the good in everyone , take it further, try to understand yourself and understand others , and the idea of like and dislikes might dissipate. You might begin seeing things in the light where you only have understanding without any haste or angst
'Understanding' => 'appreciation' (of similarities or 'reasons' for something or someone being the way it of he or she is) => 'loving' said thing or person as a 'wonder-full' aspect of Life.

'Liking' and 'disliking' are matters of personal preference deriving from whether and how one thinks, feels and believes said something or someone as enhancing or amplifying or degrading and diminishing one's and/or others experiences of Life.

The two, 'liking' and 'loving' are non-identically but each in its own way (potentially) functional ways of 'living'.

One can 'like' and 'dislike' without 'angst' just as one can 'love' without 'angst'.

'Angst' is the 'devil' here.
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Old 05-05-2018, 09:08 PM
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We think about "liking" or "disliking" people, but the reality is everyone is shaped by their experiences and expectations ..sometimes the expectation to what we perceive to be our voice and the voice of others to be can be blurred. Take time to explore who you are, and realize other people are like you, doing their best and living their lives based on what they believe. Your similarities with others will amaze you, and you might begin thinking the problems that people have stem from the same type of place you own problems stem. An old maxim is to see the good in everyone , take it further, try to understand yourself and understand others , and the idea of like and dislikes might dissipate. You might begin seeing things in the light where you only have understanding without any haste or angst
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:23 AM
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'Understanding' => 'appreciation' (of similarities or 'reasons' for something or someone being the way it of he or she is) => 'loving' said thing or person as a 'wonder-full' aspect of Life.

'Liking' and 'disliking' are matters of personal preference deriving from whether and how one thinks, feels and believes said something or someone as enhancing or amplifying or degrading and diminishing one's and/or others experiences of Life.

The two, 'liking' and 'loving' are non-identically but each in its own way (potentially) functional ways of 'living'.

One can 'like' and 'dislike' without 'angst' just as one can 'love' without 'angst'.

'Angst' is the 'devil' here.

I enjoyed your information filled rebuttal to naturewalker24's incisive attempt at bridging this arbitrary idea that we should like or dislike people. That being said, I will elaborate even further on your explanation by exploring my local dictionary.

Like- Its an adjective, corresponding or agreeing in general or some noticeable respect.

Devil- according to wikipedia, The Devil is the personification and archetype of evil in various cultures.
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Old 06-05-2018, 12:27 PM
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One can 'like' and 'dislike' without 'angst' just as one can 'love' without 'angst'.

'Angst' is the 'devil' here.

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Devil- according to wikipedia, The Devil is the personification and archetype of evil in various cultures.

I think feeling 'angst' is the result of wanting (in the sense of needing) something (or things in general) to be other (i.e. different) than they are. Loving what is as it is means accepting and embracing what is as it is and seeing/utilizing it as an opportunity to enjoy 'playing' with Life (as it is), which 'play' may include things like moving towards greater enjoyment (what one 'likes' more) and moving away from what one 'likes' less, i.e. from what one dislikes, relatively speaking, and/or becoming more understanding, accepting and embracing (i.e. 'loving') of what is as it is (this, whether one is presently able to move towards what one like more or away from what one likes less or not).

Speaking of the 'Devil' (in the details), here's a relevant (I think) passage from the book I wrote. The phrase "idealization-fantasy" in it addresses the phenomenon of 'wanting' something to be other/different than it is:

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Fortunately, the very severity of the crises those who are errant bring upon themselves and subject others around them to also serves as a catalyst for positive change in those who have as yet underutilized capacity to acknowledge and constructively relate to the truth. Whether such eventuality is welcomed or not, sooner or later, particularly after repeated or lengthy trial and tribulation, when their strength is depleted, beleaguered individuals experience a state of psychospiritual ‘bankruptcy’, in which the hope of attaining idealization-fantasy fulfillment ‘dies’, and they starkly see that even seeking to compensate themselves for such unfulfillment by means of substitute desire-gratification dooms them to endless effort, if not utter frustration and futility.

They enter a phase, poetically alluded to as ‘the dark night of the soul’, characterized initially by feelings of upset and anger, then despair, followed by sadness, depression and, ultimately, resignation, in which yearning and striving for what they desire, because satisfaction continually eludes them, finally cease. Sense of purpose is lost. What they do or don’t do then matters little to them, if at all. Life seems a cruel joke, if not meaningless. The process continues, generally in waves and spurts, till they fully accept the fact that they cannot have things be the way them want them to be (or not be the way they want them not to be). In the end, truly humbled, they reach the point where they stop being egocentrically willful and demanding, whatever their personal predilection and preference may have been or yet be.

Then, because no longer preoccupied with dreams of idealization-fantasy fulfillment and schemes aimed at attaining the same, they begin to be open to truly savoring and appreciating actualities and possibilities that are inherent in, and so embrace and act to creatively enhance, their and others present condition and circumstance, whatever this happens to be. As a result of becoming disillusioned regarding the possibility of actualizing and enjoying what, because of comparison-based sensation and logic, they previously mentally and emotionally fixated on as ‘ideal’, by default as it were, without specifically intending to, they organically rediscover and reexperience {remember what you life was like when you were 'happy' as a child? you were sometimes at least} as a the beauty and bounteousness of Life as is.

In due course, such rediscovery and reexperience sparks a conversion in one’s outlook and mode of operation. Because one then experientially knows disappointment and dissatisfaction to be idealization-associated blights, one becomes more wary of and less likely to be lured by fantasy-based temptations and, if and when one gets ‘snared’ by them, more quickly frees oneself from such entanglement by reestablishing wholesome relationship with what is in truth. Gradually, more and more often, and each time more fully, recognizing the bounteousness of experience and ongoing opportunity for discovery, development and joyful expression afforded by Life as It is to be a phenomenal boon, one proceeds with an attitude of greater and greater appreciation and consequently love. As the quest for ‘more’ desire-satisfaction then becomes superfluous, one increasingly enjoys and, so, more and more ‘naturally’ acts to enhance developments in Life’s garden, whatever one’s situation and whoever one may be with. Such progression ‘naturally’ culminates in one’s actualizing totally positive modality and flourishing in complete psychospiritual communion with Life processes one is part and parcel of, as all one’s giving and receiving becomes geared to this.
The 'Devil' spoken of here then no longer exists - in your 'world', that is!
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:13 AM
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iamthat's first answer is a good and concise one that I agree with, but to push it and your question further:

It is good to study the source of your dislike of particular people; where's it coming from and why, but to be straightforward, no you do not have to like someone.

"No" in the sense that you as a human being are not compelled to do any one thing, but you have the freedom to make choices; and distancing yourself from someone that could do you harm is indeed the right choice for your sake.

The fact that you are also brutally honest is commendable and bodes well for your practice, wherever it make take you!
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There is one way: Every day, mentally wish everyone happiness.
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Old 13-07-2018, 12:45 PM
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There is one way: Every day, mentally wish everyone happiness.


High Five, Alice - Whenever I 'wish' along these lines (usually every day), I wish everyone's hearts-n-eyes are opened to Love-n-Truth (pertaining to Life/Spirit/God/Whatever-IT-be-called)
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Old 20-08-2018, 12:37 PM
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Help and love your neighbor, no matter what.
Yes, yes, yes!
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