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Old 19-01-2020, 12:56 AM
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The 10 Most Ridiculous Scientific Studies ... ("Time")

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  1. Study shows beneficial effect of electric fans in extreme heat and humidity
  2. Study shows benefit of higher quality screening colonoscopies
  3. Holding on to the blues: Depressed individuals may fail to decrease sadness
  4. Quitting smoking after heart attack reduces chest pain, improves quality of life
  5. Older workers bring valuable knowledge to the job
  6. Being homeless is bad for your health
  7. The more time a person lives under a democracy, the more likely she or he is to support democracy
  8. Statistical analysis reveals Mexican drug war increased homicide rates
  9. Middle-aged congenital heart disease survivors may need special care
  10. Scientists Discover a Difference Between the Sexes
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Old 19-01-2020, 04:17 AM
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Just fact.

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Old 19-01-2020, 07:31 AM
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Science looks for the causes of epilepsy and mental health issues in the physical body and finds that there may be certain imbalances which relate to these problems. The philosophy of Yoga considers the human being quite differently, so epilepsy and mental health issues may have their origins in the etheric or mental bodies of a human being.

Feel free to show us the evidence that epilepsy is caused by an “etheric” body or by demons. If you can’t then it’s just a matter of faith. I know you still cannot grasp parsimony which is why you will naturally cop out with the claim that a lack of belief in demons is a belief too, which is an error in logic. You should know that the burden of proof lies with you though. So lets see what proof you have (?).
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Old 19-01-2020, 10:01 AM
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Altair,

Excellent points you've raised, which support my contention that the answers to problems in science and religion come from correcting the perspective which generates its appearance as a problem (TRUTH). To answer your specific question above, I invite you to see what I stated to another SF poster who asked a similar question:
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...8&postcount=22

No matter how well stated, 2 +2= 5 will always generate a problem in perspective (error) until the perspective, itself, is corrected to reveal that 2 + 2 = 4, even before the equation is computed.....

"Perfection does not come from projecting our own ideas but from awakening to the knowledge that it is already the established order of things." http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...44&postcount=1

Altair, these perspectives changed my life.

Hope they can help you, too.

Thanks Guthrio. I'm afraid I don't really grasp what you're saying though.
You refer to post #22, but I don't see the practicality in what you say...
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Old 19-01-2020, 04:03 PM
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Thanks Guthrio. I'm afraid I don't really grasp what you're saying though.
You refer to post #22, but I don't see the practicality in what you say...

Altair,

Sorry for the confusion. The point I was trying to make is this:

When "For thousands of years people thought those with epilepsy and mental health issues were possessed by nasty demons. Then modern science began to understand that there are physiological explanations. Second, for thousands of years people believed in creationism, and that all plants and animals were fixed and there at the start. We now know from studies into genetics and fossils that this is not the case, not to mention it would be ecologically impossible."....

Those who thought that way were laboring under the false impression that "2+2=5", but they did not know it until they learned, (as we ALL must learn) that the Truth was staring them in the face all the while.

In other words, our progress, individually, collectively, scientifically, and spiritually, depends upon understanding the Truth that 2+2 has always equalled 4...and KNOWING it.

The "we now know" part of the equation is the part we must find out for ourselves. It CANNOT be done by others for us.

Both Science and Religion have yet to figure out what's been staring them in the face. That's why all the false starts, fights, misunderstandings, and yes, both scientific as well as religious dogma have crippled the progress of their respective efforts ever since their practitioners did not know this.

Hence, "Perfection does not come from projecting our own ideas, but from awakening to the knowledge that it is already established order of things."

That's what post #22 was all about. Nothing is more practical than that. Do you see?

Hope this helps!
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Old 19-01-2020, 05:33 PM
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Feel free to show us the evidence that epilepsy is caused by an “etheric” body or by demons. If you can’t then it’s just a matter of faith. I know you still cannot grasp parsimony which is why you will naturally cop out with the claim that a lack of belief in demons is a belief too, which is an error in logic. You should know that the burden of proof lies with you though. So lets see what proof you have (?).

Did I ever mention anything about demons? What do demons have to do with epilepsy?

I suggest that the burden of proof lies with science. They may show that certain physiological conditions are present in those with epilepsy but this is not the same as proving that these physiological conditions cause epilepsy. The cause may lie elsewhere, manifesting as physiological conditions and epileptic fits.

Conventional medicine is unfortunately ineffective at curing many chronic conditions. Prescribing drugs to suppress the symptoms is not the same as curing the illness. If the person was cured then no further drugs would be needed, but all too often people are told they need to take particular drugs for the rest of their lives. This is because science only looks at the physiological conditions and misses the real deeper cause.

Time will tell. It may be that in fifty years time medicine will treat the whole person and not just the physical body. And people may look back at the medical practices of today (with over 4 billion prescriptions every year in the USA) and marvel at our current ignorance.

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Old 19-01-2020, 08:27 PM
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Altair,
Sorry for the confusion. The point I was trying to make is this:
Those who thought that way were laboring under the false impression that "2+2=5", but they did not know it until they learned, (as we ALL must learn) that the Truth was staring them in the face all the while.
No worries, Guthrio.
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Both Science and Religion have yet to figure out what's been staring them in the face. That's why all the false starts, fights, misunderstandings, and yes, both scientific as well as religious dogma have crippled the progress of their respective efforts ever since their practitioners did not know this.
And what is it that stares both of them in their 'face'??

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I suggest that the burden of proof lies with science. They may show that certain physiological conditions are present in those with epilepsy but this is not the same as proving that these physiological conditions cause epilepsy. The cause may lie elsewhere, manifesting as physiological conditions and epileptic fits.
I brought it up as an example where we're shown that science does not need religion to understand the world. I'm no expert on epilepsy but it seems there are ways to drastically reduce the seizures. Many other health issues have been cured with medicine and vaccinations. We can understand what causes the disease and it makes religious explanations for these phenomena unnecessary.

If people persist believing in alternative explanations they have that right, but when they make a truth claim that it is caused by a demon or an issue with an etheric body than the burden of proof lies with them. Or choose to say ''I believe/think there's more to it, but I can't make any Truth claim and I don't have proof. Sorry, can't be of further use.''. That's totally cool, but unfortunately not what usually occurs in religions.
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Old 20-01-2020, 12:10 AM
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I brought it up as an example where we're shown that science does not need religion to understand the world. I'm no expert on epilepsy but it seems there are ways to drastically reduce the seizures. Many other health issues have been cured with medicine and vaccinations. We can understand what causes the disease and it makes religious explanations for these phenomena unnecessary.

Perhaps we need to differentiate between religion and spiritual principles. Science does not need religion to understand the world, but until science embraces certain spiritual principles then its understanding of the world will always be limited.

For example, science will never grasp the nature of the physical universe until it takes into account other non-physical planes of existence, without which this physical universe would not exist.

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