karma

[peteyzen]

I have beentaught about karma, and have an understanding of this universal law , usually called cause and effect. I would be interested to hear what other memebers think about karma, if they have any experiences of it.
My understanding of karma (I apologies if it conflicts with anyone elses) is that when we act on our intent, (intent being the pivotal point of karma) we create a cycle of effect which will one day loop back to us. So, for instance, if we steal the last cookie from the jar, knowing others in the room want it and we are not next in line for it, then we start a small circle of karma that one day will return to us, and we will feel a similar loss to those we have just denied the cookie to.
My teacher describes the karma we creeate as either skillful or unskillful. I really like this description, it implies that we have it in our ability to create an easier or more difficult path ahead of us by our own skillful or unskillful thoughts /intent, and eventually our actions.

I look forward to peoples statements or questions on karma.
have fun playing with the spiritual play doh

Hi Peteyzen,

everything you have written above is correct. The one thing I would add is that it is a lot easier than you might imagine to attract whatever it is you want. It is a lot easier than I ever imagined anyway. The things I wanted always seemed so inaccessable and mysterious and so it was they were kept hidden or away from me you get what you believe. My advice would be wish for what you want because you attract what you believe you are. I would also recommend buying the secret DVD - link on films part of forum for a full explanation of the law of attraction, you'll laugh when you understand because it's ridiculously obvious.

[peteyzen]

Dreamer, I understand about the secret, it works by forces of attraction and aligning yourself to what you want by mental focus, (very briefly) and it works , woithin certain parameters, Karma is a seperate law that affects things differently,
What I mean by this is that, if you have karma to be paid, (and we all have) then good or bad, it comes, sometimes the universe (or god) will link your aspiration thru something like the secrets techniques, to a favourable conclusion. But not always and this is the point, people believe that they can do anything when they come across messages like the secret and they become massively dissappointed when these aspirations fail to materialse.

Having said that the approach which I use , taught to me by my teacher many years ago and which is similar in application to the secret, I will give you now, free of charge!!! He uses three keys these are focus, aspiration and affirmation.
What this means is when you want something focus your mind on it, hold it in your mind as often as you can, then aspire to achieve it , want it strongly then finally affirm to yourself that you can do it, or you are already it. Keep doing this whilst you would normally be thinking ****, and the results are astounding. There is one further point to make, bearing in mind this is a thread on karma, which overseas all our intent, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WANT, examine carefully your intent.

Blimey that was serious, love and light to you all

Hey Peteyzen,

all good points but I feel if you intend easy harmony the karma works itself out in an easy and harmonious way and you can't have harmony without the truth and isn't Karma just our shame at the truth. I'd say Karma is of our shames making rather than anything that is out there.

[peteyzen]

Well I dont claim to know exactly dreamer, and I could well be wrong, wont be the first or last time if i am. But.... I kind of see karma as an exact thing, nothing woozzy, If i intend to do this then thats what I get back and so on. Problem is, this bit that comes back, it returns at a point convenient for karma, not neccesarily for me. And it isn`t really allied to shame (if you follow my interpretation which may be wrong, see first two lines...) because it is dependent on our intent, that intent could be (should be) good, we may have for instance, helped someone in difficulty out of the goodness of our heart, this will return to us, no shame, just a circle of creation, instigated by our intent you see.???
But going back to your first point about intending easy harmony, then in my interpretation of the karmic law, you are right, as your intent is to be harmonious, then that is what you are creating for yourself, its just we don`t know when that harmony will return to us.
We are paving the path of our future by our intent and hence actions today, is the best way to put it

Hi Peteyzen,

if you have an awakening and change fundamentally as a person so that you take full responsibility for all the wrongs you have done in the past and are truly sorry for them and you truly seek forgiveness for the consequences of these actions - kind of like confession at church except you really mean it, does that reduce bad Karma?

the other thing I was wondering is if you know about the law of attraction and how to use it, do you think there is anything more you need to know?

[peteyzen]

Originally Posted by dreamer

Hi Peteyzen,

the other thing I was wondering is if you know about the law of attraction and how to use it, do you think there is anything more you need to know?

Hi dreamer, yes I skipped the second question, not through intent, just through incompetence!!! Yes there is more to know, else your intent, your use of the law of attraction may be flawed. That is you may want things that are poor choices karmically, by using the law of attraction unwisely you will attract entities and circumstances which are unhelpful.
A firm moral and ethical base is required when using the forces of attraction or great long term damage can be done to your path.
remeber the old adage `Be careful what you ask for, you might get it`
In short, examine very carefully your true intent when using these forces of attraction deliberately
Hope that helps dreamer.
Still love your posts mate.

peteyzen - -

The basics of karma is learning to take full responsibility for ALL of one's actions - - physical / emotional / mental / and otherwise. One interesting tidbit I learned long ago was that - - our debts are usually paid back to God / Life without coin. Karma is *incredibly* exact. Frighteningly so ! !

Another tidbit - - with freedom (using the Law of Attraction and other psychic laws) comes intense responsibility. The Law of Attraction - - works. Without a doubt. But use it wrongly - - and I don't even want to be on the same planet when that person has to begin to pay off their karmic debts. HeH Not really - - but it carries the point.

All "struggles" are not karmic. Many times - - struggles are LIFE trying to get you to head in a particular direction and you are refusing to do so. Well - - in a sense - - I guess that still could somewhat be considered karma. Kinda. HeH again. But it's stretching the principle BIG time.

One way to look at the Law of Attraction is - - it works - - NOW what ??

And beyond the Law of Attraction is the rest of LIFE. The Law of Attraction is only a psychic tool.

And Bob23 is most correct in what he says. The present moment - - now - - is all Soul ever really has control over. Soul Itself lives from the present moment. It is psychic baggage - - which is limiting and not of Soul Itself - - that clouds the livingness of this.

But then again - - there are a few interesting levels / twists to living in the "Now" that can offer much adventure.

HeH again. I think that makes the third time. :->

It is explained that there are laws of nature. For every action there is an equal corresponding reaction. For those who have studied a little science; you know that this is irreversible law. It is a law that it integral within every aspect of this creation; that is caused the law of physics for every action there is an equal corresponding reaction or as we say in English,

DASA - -

I believe you and I said pretty much the same thing, tho I tended to wing out on it a bit more. When I said - - "taking full responsibility" - - that meant learning the full implications of cause / effect or action / reaction in our lives.

I guess the only thing I did suggest is - - that this applies to the emotional and mental levels too.

I don't know if by your use of the term "Laws of Nature" - - if you solely mean of the physical world - - or if you also include the emotional / mental levels too.

Karma and reincarnation are the fundamental building blocks of these lower worlds of duality / polarity / opposites. Without these two fundamentals - - these worlds would not exist - - or would be *drastically* different.

In my most humble opinion.