Spirit of man

[sky]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Also interesting to note that Hindus didn't believe in reincarnation until the Buddhists introduced it to them....fascinating!

No wonder I found the whole doctrine a bitter pill to swallow being a Vedic scholar...fascinating!

I need to muse upon this.

Yes that is interesting, post back here if you find more info: please. Don't forget Buddha was a Brahmin so I'm sure his teachings were a little bit of this and a little bit of that

[Shivani Devi]

So, I am now on the horns of a dilemma.

Firstly, if there was no such thing as reincarnation in orthodox Hinduism and it was later introduced by Buddhist thought, does reincarnation or rebirth even happen? I mean what happens to the soul/mental energy after death would SURELY form a part of early Hindu thought, wouldn't it? one would think so.

Secondly, it could also be said that 'mental energy' could also be equatable with a 'soul' as nobody knows what the soul IS, let alone Buddhists who don't believe we have one, so they must be aware of it to say that it doesn't exist.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by sky123

Yes that is interesting, post back here if you find more info: please. Don't forget Buddha was a Brahmin so I'm sure his teachings were a little bit of this and a little bit of that

This didn't take long...here we go:
https://www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation.html

Although I have also found that in reference to Buddhism, the terms 'rebirth' and 'reincarnation' are interchangable.

...but I guess that Buddha had to do something to differentiate his style of thought to the prevailing Hindu thought of the time...and my Higher Self is now chiming in with this tidbit:

In Hinduism, the notion of Atman (soul) is equatable with Brahman or losely termed "God" and seeing as how Buddhists don't believe in God, they wouldn't believe in Atman either.

obsolete non buddhist mindwanderings deleted here...

[sky]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

This didn't take long...here we go:
https://www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation.html

Although I have also found that in reference to Buddhism, the terms 'rebirth' and 'reincarnation' are interchangable.

...but I guess that Buddha had to do something to differentiate his style of thought to the prevailing Hindu thought of the time...and my Higher Self is now chiming in with this tidbit:

In Hinduism, the notion of Atman (soul) is equatable with Brahman or losely termed "God" and seeing as how Buddhists don't believe in God, they wouldn't believe in Atman either.

Thanks SD interesting..
Back to the soul, self/soul/spirit mean the same in Buddhism so as Buddha taught that nothing is permanent these don't make up the essence of a human being.

[Shivani Devi]

I'm having some rather disturbing revelations right now, based upon what I have learned.

In the Vedas, they do say what happens to the soul after death and it kinda tows the Christian line. We either go to Patala/Naraka (hell) or to Swarga (heaven).

Even some Buddhists...notably the Chinese Buddhists believe the same thing. The Tiger Balm Gardens in Singapore attest to this....oh the horrors to be witnessed there. =/

Isn't the whole idea and philosophy of rebirth/reincarnation just something to make us feel better? less afraid of the eventuality that we may just end up as 'maggot fodder' and nothing more?

That being said, nobody knows what happens after we die...we may just die OR go to heaven/hell or even be reborn/reincarnate and so, it's better to try and obtain nirvana/moksha and be good people and do good things in this lifetime, so if there IS rebirth or a heaven, we'll be in a far better position or if we end up as bacteria food, there's nothing ventured and nothing lost and it becomes a win/win scenario either way.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by sky123

Thanks SD interesting..
Back to the soul, self/soul/spirit mean the same in Buddhism so as Buddha taught that nothing is permanent these don't make up the essence of a human being.

Is nibbana permanent?

[sky]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Is nibbana permanent?

So they say

[neil]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I'm having some rather disturbing revelations right now, based upon what I have learned.

In the Vedas, they do say what happens to the soul after death and it kinda tows the Christian line. We either go to Patala/Naraka (hell) or to Swarga (heaven).

Even some Buddhists...notably the Chinese Buddhists believe the same thing. The Tiger Balm Gardens in Singapore attest to this....oh the horrors to be witnessed there. =/

Isn't the whole idea and philosophy of rebirth/reincarnation just something to make us feel better? less afraid of the eventuality that we may just end up as 'maggot fodder' and nothing more?

That being said, nobody knows what happens after we die...we may just die OR go to heaven/hell or even be reborn/reincarnate and so, it's better to try and obtain nirvana/moksha and be good people and do good things in this lifetime, so if there IS rebirth or a heaven, we'll be in a far better position or if we end up as bacteria food, there's nothing ventured and nothing lost and it becomes a win/win scenario either way.

I have been reading your posts since you arrived on this web forum. and it boggles my mind at what you talk about....

When you first arrived you definitely did not believe in any form of a second third or so on incarnations.....right...and yet lately you have been believing in previous lives and incarnations.

And do you not understand that you are at this moment only an invisible spiritual soul being/entity...and that you are connected to a non sentient flesh form...and you are only connected to it so that you can experience life through it...you are not a human being....you are a soul being, living on the earth and experiencing life on earth through the flesh which will decompose one day....which proves that the flesh is not a conscious sentient entity....because conscious sentient beings do not die once they have been brought into existence.

You and I and the earth and the solar system and the many galaxies already exist in the spiritual soul universe.....so what happens after death or the start of the decomposition of the non sentient flesh body when your connection to it is severed....well if you are standing up at the moment that your energy connection with it is severed for some reason then you remain standing and the flesh falls to the ground at your feet....and you and your disconnected flesh are still located within the earths eco system....and you didn't cross over and do not need to cross over because you and the flesh were always located within the spiritual soul realms...but now you can travel any where you want within the spiritual soul realms....and if you want you can then now go directly to the locations of the perpetual Summerlands without having to cross over...THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOUR SO CALLED BELIEF IN DEATH...WHICH IS A FALSE CONCEPTION.

Did you say buhdist believe you do not have a soul....i say rubbish.....because YOU ARE "" THE SOUL BEING RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT""....YOU ARE NOT A HUMAN BEING, YOU ARE A SOUL BEING, EXPERIENCING A LIFE ON EARTH VIA A NON SENTIENT FLESH FORM....YOU ARE NOT A HUMAN BEING AND YOU DO NOT EXPERIENCE DEATH """YOU ONLY EXPERIENCE THE MOVING AWAY FROM THE FLESH FORM WHEN THE ENERGY CONNECTION IS SEVERED""".

And so why are you THE CONSCIOUS SOUL BEING here on earth...well like usual you never realy listen to my info so it is not realy worth me explaining it unless you show an interests.


Regards neil.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Greetings sky. I have skimmed that link you posted and came across this:



Which sort of begs the question, what is the difference between 'rebirth' and 'reincarnation'? and if Buddhists believe in Karma, as they do, isn't Karma also carried over in the whole re-birthing process?

According to the Buddhist teachings, kamma is the volition. Volition can be thought of as any urge to move the mind. The main difference between 'rebirth' and 'reincarnation' is 'reincarnation' specifically refers to perpetuating ones volition within a new born body, whereas 'rebirth' refers to the regeneration moment to moment. Hence reincarnation is a specific stage in the cycle of rebirth. Rebirth is driven by the volition, which is kamma.