No path or practise required.

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by Kristi

Eh, I don’t quite agree on that.

On a higher level of consciousness (higher self) we are indeed perfect. But a lot of that isn’t realized until you put in the work to achieve it through self-improvement on the third dimensional life on Earth or whatever planet/star you incarnate on.

At least that’s how I see it.

Shh don't speak such sense please Kristi - or Iamit will tell you to "cease and desist" from personal attacks!

[Iamit]

Both TA or NA may be appropriate depending on the character of seekers, who should not be put off consideration of either by attempts to smear/undermine the other.

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Both TA or NA may be appropriate depending on the character of seekers, who should not be put off consideration of either by attempts to smear/undermine the other.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...&postcount=110

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...4&postcount=73

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...1&postcount=43

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...5&postcount=38

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...8&postcount=51

etc.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=118554

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by blossomingtree

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...&postcount=110

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...4&postcount=73

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...1&postcount=43

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...5&postcount=38

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...8&postcount=51

etc.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=118554

That's only about half of them.

I'm sitting here, in 40 degree C heat...in front of a fan...totally naked...the heat from without matching the heat from within....soaked in sweat and clarity of mind, guzzling blue Gatorade by the litre...yeah, raising kundalini will do that every time.

I'm listening to Rudrashtakam on Radio Devraag...my favourite hymn to Lord Shiva is playing...and I'm thinking of the nicest and most respectful way I am going to put this, so as not to 'offend' Iamit - because he seems to be the extremely sensitive and touchy type...maybe even bordering on some kind of paranoid persecution complex in regards to his chosen path...that's just the way it seems to me, but it might not be the case at all.

I don't really know what his agenda is, but whatever it is, it seems to be a very persistent and pushy one...like some kind of proselytizing, indoctrinating process....an online 'recruitment drive' for NA...and the reason why he seems to be getting upset, is because he's the only one here who basically 'agrees with himself'. There's no one else here saying "that's right, Iamit! you tell 'em! you teach them how it really is!"

So, for the rest of us who don't follow that path, we have one of two choices...we can either say we disagree for whatever reasons we have, only to be met with a defensive projection in the name of NA OR we could simply disregard all these posts and stick to what WE know/believe in and mind our own business, letting him preach to the already converted and in that regard, I'm sure there are many chatrooms on facebook and the like who will cater to his need for 'acceptance' and 'reassurance' in the name and premise of Neo-Advaita, but making thread after thread about exactly the same thing with different titles accomplishes nothing.

This is just an observation and it's not meant as a 'personal attack' whatsoever, but if it is taken that way, I cannot be held accountable or responsible for that.

*makes use of my own 'selective viewing process' in future.*

Regards, Shivani.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

That's only about half of them.

I'm sitting here, in 40 degree C heat...in front of a fan...totally naked...the heat from without matching the heat from within....soaked in sweat and clarity of mind, guzzling blue Gatorade by the litre...yeah, raising kundalini will do that every time

I'm listening to Rudrashtakam on Radio Devraag...my favourite hymn to Lord Shiva is playing...and I'm thinking of the nicest and most respectful way I am going to put this, so as not to 'offend' Iamit - because he seems to be the extremely sensitive and touchy type...maybe even bordering on some kind of paranoid persecution complex in regards to his chosen path...that's just the way it seems to me, but it might not be the case at all.

I don't really know what his agenda is, but whatever it is, it seems to be a very persistent and pushy one...like some kind of proselytizing, indoctrinating process....an online 'recruitment drive' for NA...and the reason why he seems to be getting upset, is because he's the only one here who basically 'agrees with himself'. There's no one else here saying "that's right, Iamit! you tell 'em! you teach them how it really is!"

So, for the rest of us who don't follow that path, we have one of two choices...we can either say we disagree for whatever reasons we have, only to be met with a defensive projection in the name of NA OR we could simply disregard all these posts and stick to what WE know/believe in and mind our own business, letting him preach to the already converted and in that regard, I'm sure there are many chatrooms on facebook and the like who will cater to his need for 'acceptance' and 'reassurance' in the name and premise of Neo-Advaita, but making thread after thread about exactly the same thing with different titles accomplishes nothing.

This is just an observation and it's not meant as a 'personal attack' whatsoever, but if it is taken that way, I cannot be held accountable or responsible for that.

*makes use of my own 'selective viewing process' in future.*

Regards, Shivani.

Send some heat please, it's freeeeeeezing here, 6 below...

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

That's only about half of them.

I'm sitting here, in 40 degree C heat...in front of a fan...totally naked...the heat from without matching the heat from within....soaked in sweat and clarity of mind, guzzling blue Gatorade by the litre...yeah, raising kundalini will do that every time.

I'm listening to Rudrashtakam on Radio Devraag...my favourite hymn to Lord Shiva is playing...and I'm thinking of the nicest and most respectful way I am going to put this, so as not to 'offend' Iamit - because he seems to be the extremely sensitive and touchy type...maybe even bordering on some kind of paranoid persecution complex in regards to his chosen path...that's just the way it seems to me, but it might not be the case at all.

I don't really know what his agenda is, but whatever it is, it seems to be a very persistent and pushy one...like some kind of proselytizing, indoctrinating process....an online 'recruitment drive' for NA...and the reason why he seems to be getting upset, is because he's the only one here who basically 'agrees with himself'. There's no one else here saying "that's right, Iamit! you tell 'em! you teach them how it really is!"

So, for the rest of us who don't follow that path, we have one of two choices...we can either say we disagree for whatever reasons we have, only to be met with a defensive projection in the name of NA OR we could simply disregard all these posts and stick to what WE know/believe in and mind our own business, letting him preach to the already converted and in that regard, I'm sure there are many chatrooms on facebook and the like who will cater to his need for 'acceptance' and 'reassurance' in the name and premise of Neo-Advaita, but making thread after thread about exactly the same thing with different titles accomplishes nothing.

This is just an observation and it's not meant as a 'personal attack' whatsoever, but if it is taken that way, I cannot be held accountable or responsible for that.

*makes use of my own 'selective viewing process' in future.*

Regards, Shivani.

Well thats quite astounding when it is TA that objects to the very existance of NA.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Well thats quite astounding when it is TA that objects to the very existance of NA.

It's the labels that knowledges are posited under, like glue to stick the identity to.

[Iamit]

Maybe the light needs to be turned on these TA characters. What is it about thier conditioning that results in resistance of change? One can speculate and suggest that they were raised by very conservative caretakers who punished thier free thinking and exploration so that they came to view such characteistics as unacceptable in themselves and others (projection).

So what we are dealing with here is a neurotic resistance to new free thinking resulting in change that may challenge thier precious traditions. So desparate are they that they like to undermine the characters of those they feel threatened by. Lets see how they like that light shone on thier own characters:)

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Maybe the light needs to be turned on these TA characters. What is it about thier conditioning that results in resistance of change? One can speculate and suggest that they were raised by very conservative caretakers who punished thier free thinking and exploration so that they came to view such characteistics as unacceptable in themselves and others. So what we are dealing with here is a neurotic resistance to free thinking resulting in change that may challenge thier precious traditions.

Isn't that which you are positing the very semblance of that which you also seek to discredit? Why should one 'change' when they are fulfilled/satisfied being where they are? Total non-duality is a state which is beyond 'change'...it is changeless. It is timeless.

Of course I can also say that these 'conservative caretakers' admonished 'free thinking' as being the antithesis to their whole message that 'free thought' was also part of the dual process as thoughts, being 'free' or otherwise are still thoughts - more manifestations of the 'monkey mind' who have now found a whole lot of different trees to jump about in.

It is not neurosis, it is logic. Pratyahara means the withdrawal of the senses and the mind into one's own state of being and the more we try to externalise the awareness through dual concepts, the more it leads us away from 'going within' and to realise that 'free thought' is only an ego-based concept designed to aggrandize itself to the notion of not being limited or restricted in a material sense, but when one realises that the ego is just fighting our quest for a spiritual truth every step of the way, they will see it for what it really is.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Isn't that which you are positing the very semblance of that which you also seek to discredit? Why should one 'change' when they are fulfilled/satisfied being where they are? Total non-duality is a state which is beyond 'change'...it is changeless. It is timeless.

Of course I can also say that these 'conservative caretakers' admonished 'free thinking' as being the antithesis to their whole message that 'free thought' was also part of the dual process as thoughts, being 'free' or otherwise are still thoughts - more manifestations of the 'monkey mind' who have now found a whole lot of different trees to jump about in.

It is not neurosis, it is logic. Pratyahara means the withdrawal of the senses and the mind into one's own state of being and the more we try to externalise the awareness through dual concepts, the more it leads us away from 'going within' and to realise that 'free thought' is only an ego-based concept designed to aggrandize itself to the notion of not being limited or restricted in a material sense, but when one realises that the ego is just fighting our quest for a spiritual truth every step of the way, they will see it for what it really is.

The fact that you think this is about you changing shows just how threatened you feel. New thinking does not require you to change. You resist it because it challenges your traditions. Well it may surprise you but your traditions do not have some right to contol what others may think by undermining thier characters. We are not yet living in such a totalitarian world. See how you like the spotlight turned on your character.