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Old 17-07-2017, 02:05 AM
H:O:R:A:C:E H:O:R:A:C:E is offline
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thoughts are ephemeral, they can drift in and drift out...
unless something about them seems 'substantive', and we retain them.
those substantive thoughts may be unrecognized by our conscious mind,
which is why having someone point them out can be useful (as with
dream interpretations).
i theorize that: when we look in a mirror we see a reflection of ourselves...
the images found there correspond to something within or about us.
for me to see something 'substantive' within your thought-set is (potentially)
saying that i have something similar, if not identical within mine.
if you'd like to use that time-turner to retrace some steps, i'd be willing
to accompany you in the journey... on a rescue mission. i'm uncomfortable
with being uncomfortable.
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Old 17-07-2017, 07:07 AM
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But then what are we incarnated into a body for, a body that naturally thinks and feels? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

One question we human beings never answered or probably can never be answered. Why are we here? or Who am I? or what am I? and this leads to answers of various kind.

Do we as a separate individual exists?

Love is what exists, boundless, timeless, omnipresent. It is nothing and yet it is everything. It is only interested in creation. It is the both the creator and the created. It is both manifested and unmanifested. When the manifested lose interest in the materialistic universe it returns back to its unmanifested state and fuels more creation. Hindu's call this play, Leela, a hide and seek game they couldn't rationalize it. By knowing oneself one annihilates. Only love destroys love for it's continuation. This paradox.....beyond human understanding.
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Old 17-07-2017, 07:47 AM
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thoughts are ephemeral, they can drift in and drift out...

You are thought, product of thought, your very thoughts is the source of thought itself. There is nothing out of thought... Can't you see?
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Old 17-07-2017, 05:20 PM
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You are thought, product of thought, your very thoughts is the source of thought itself. There is nothing out of thought... Can't you see?
yes, i can see that.
i am one of those thoughts that has gained some substance to it, and lingers.
i don't actually believe that thought is the be all and end all of everything however.

my tendency is to consider thought, and mind itself, as an aspect of Spirit.
Spirit is like light; it's a bundle of energy which carries information.
there needs to be a medium in which that information exists and travels.
there also needs to be something with which that information interacts,
so as to deliver it's information... which i understand to be Will.
i see Will as a mysterious entity (by Spiritual standards); it operates in the
dark, unfolding and bending in ways unknown to Spirit until contact is made.

there has been a series of fragmentations of Spirit which has splintered it
into ever smaller increments... there has never been such division within
Will. there is only one Will. the thought of me may be a very tiny thing
when brought into comparison with the entirety of all thoughts ever thought
or to be thought; the Will of me is indivisible and one with the whole.

thoughts may enjoy popping in and out of existence, as if transferring from
particles into wave forms. there is no Will to not exist; existence is the true
state of Will and there is no desire to transform truth into lies.

i see the role of Spirit as being in service to Will. the thought that Spirit is
the master of all realities is pure madness, and that is not the Will of love.
ah, Love, that is what i see as being the all of everything... it is Spirit, Will,
and "the medium" in which those two unite... plus anything else that might
spring forth from that union.
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Old 17-07-2017, 10:02 PM
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i'm not sayin' that the framework i'm using for understanding the dynamics
of reality is absolute truth, nor that it's useful for everyone to use. one thing
that it addresses which your "thought is everything" idea doesn't seem to is
the reason behind thoughts coming into existence, and moving about...
which is in service to a desire (an aspect of Will). without that motivation,
thoughts have no reason to exist [as i see things], and absent 'reason', they
are insane. a unifying purpose is what makes thoughts cohere. for me,
the unifying principle is Love.
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Old 18-07-2017, 11:24 AM
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the reason i'd like to continue the discussion is because you (and i) seem to
be stuck in a dynamic of life experiences which don't satisfy. i feel that we
might discover the means to achieve a successful, desirable resolution.

a recent aphorism is that "the definition of insanity is to continue doing the
same things, while expecting a different result". i truly abhor that sentiment.
it's erroneously attributed to Albert Einstein, as if having that profound
thinker it's author would lend it some credence. i have permanent faith that
past failures do not make present success an impossibility. where Sisyphus
had resigned himself to the impossibility of completing his task and being
done with it, i feel certain that it was an achievable goal. what he'd needed
was an alteration of the mechanics which began that stone from rolling back
down the hill after he'd placed it into position. he might have suspended the
force of gravity in that localized area, or put a socket into the stone so that it
would fit on that spire as a marshmallow on a skewer, or made a hollow at
the summit so the stone could rest like a scoop of ice cream in a cone, or
any number of other possibilities.
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Old 19-07-2017, 10:16 AM
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The thought is too slow to capture reality, it can never capture it, it always acts from the past. When it realizes itself the whole structure collapses and falls into the now and into the unending silence.

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the reason i'd like to continue the discussion is because you (and i) seem to
be stuck in a dynamic of life experiences which don't satisfy.

Because the idea that I'm the body is too strong, the questions the curiosity to question things haven't disappeared. To know is a symptom of ignorance.

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i feel that we
might discover the means to achieve a successful, desirable resolution.

Nothing to discover, if there is something to find for both of us, it is only "THIS" BOREDOM.

Damn to my EGO.

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Old 19-07-2017, 07:22 PM
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i've read a bit about Sisyphus: he was punished for hubris, having been
more clever than the gods of his day. it seems to me that he could've used
a kind soul to assist him in altering the circumstances of his unending task.
since he was too preoccupied in his labour, someone else was needed.
i might be able to provide some perspective to help you out of what seems
to be a conundrum, trapping you into a non-joyful state of being.
my thinking is that you've got a particular thought, or collection of thoughts,
which steer you away from joy and into "bleh". that thought is likely protected
with a patina of 'undeniable truth' applied to it... but i figure that it's not true
if it robs you of your carefree joy.
if we retrace your steps of logic, we might find a new avenue which you've
overlooked before. or, we could look at it from an emotional perspective,
and isolate the precise moment when joy seems to shift towards something
else.
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