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Old 21-06-2019, 02:54 AM
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This supposes that the merging into Oneness is restricted to the duration of the meditation. In which case I suggest that this is not true merging into Oneness.

When we truly dissolve the identification with separation and enter the state of Oneness (which is our own natural state) then this state remains, whether we are sitting in meditation or living everyday life.

Yes, consciousness continues to function through individual mind/emotions/physical body which is distinct from other mind-bodies but Oneness is ever-present, pervading everything. It never goes away. The body is just a vehicle moving within an infinite ocean of Oneness.

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What we bring back is the essence of the totality and yet when in duality the ‘knowingness’ is not the ‘undiluted being-ness’

There is a consciousness shift which signals that whilst we know we are yet adrift.

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Old 21-06-2019, 03:35 AM
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There is only One, forgetting itself and dreaming. Everything you see & hear is the dream, the seeing & hearing are dream, the body and mind are dream. You, however, are directly The One. The knower of seeing & hearing, the love, the intelligence, the good (conscience), that’s directly you. You create a dream of “things”, and once “in” the dream, via the mind, relatively speaking, you are nothing. But nothing is magic. Everything you see & hear is magic, the seeing & hearing is magic, the experience is quite literally magic - you.

So to your inquiry regarding the apparent back & forth between deep meditation states and the loss of it in the activities of the functioning world...they are not the least bit different. Like trees arise front the ground, thought arises from nothing, magic. For you a tree is a tree, not to be believed or not, not to direct you or not. But thoughts appear quite different than trees, and in believing some thoughts and not others, you create an idea of an identity. This “identity” can never be located, isolated, or even described by any account of your own direct experience, because it is an idea. This “self” idea is only ever described or referred to via more ideas, never a direct experience of it. The belief in this idea of you is so convincing, decisions are made regarding what you can & can’t do in this life, what you are capable of or not, what you can achieve or not, etc.

That you do not know who you are, that you believe there are things, is actually a testimony to just how unfathomably magic you actually are.
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Old 04-07-2019, 06:37 AM
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Duality to Nonduality and back like a pulse
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:42 PM
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There is only One, forgetting itself and dreaming. Everything you see & hear is the dream, the seeing & hearing are dream, the body and mind are dream. You, however, are directly The One. The knower of seeing & hearing, the love, the intelligence, the good (conscience), that’s directly you. You create a dream of “things”, and once “in” the dream, via the mind, relatively speaking, you are nothing. But nothing is magic. Everything you see & hear is magic, the seeing & hearing is magic, the experience is quite literally magic - you.

So to your inquiry regarding the apparent back & forth between deep meditation states and the loss of it in the activities of the functioning world...they are not the least bit different. Like trees arise front the ground, thought arises from nothing, magic. For you a tree is a tree, not to be believed or not, not to direct you or not. But thoughts appear quite different than trees, and in believing some thoughts and not others, you create an idea of an identity. This “identity” can never be located, isolated, or even described by any account of your own direct experience, because it is an idea. This “self” idea is only ever described or referred to via more ideas, never a direct experience of it. The belief in this idea of you is so convincing, decisions are made regarding what you can & can’t do in this life, what you are capable of or not, what you can achieve or not, etc.

That you do not know who you are, that you believe there are things, is actually a testimony to just how unfathomably magic you actually are.
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Old 05-07-2019, 01:36 AM
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Hiranyagarbha ... the One splits into two
The two merge to fuse as One
Duality to Nonduality and back like a pulse
The vibration of movement aliveness

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the problem is it either takes a lot of effort (which sometimes evidences in these circles as going to a lot of effort to learn to not go to any effort) or it takes divine help to go from two back to one. Because by default our desire is to go from one to two to three and then on to all sorts of things... (ch 42 of the Tao Te Ching)
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Old 05-07-2019, 04:33 AM
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the problem is it either takes a lot of effort (which sometimes evidences in these circles as going to a lot of effort to learn to not go to any effort) or it takes divine help to go from two back to one. Because by default our desire is to go from one to two to three and then on to all sorts of things... (ch 42 of the Tao Te Ching)

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No doer and so no effort.

We just be in sync with the Divine pulse.

The union, ignition in unending continuation, the separation for assimilation and then re-fusion.

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Old 09-07-2019, 05:53 PM
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The Oneness enigma....when I raise my arm....does it effect a butterfly in China?
Are consciousness and air like water? Like when a fish is in distress it's felt by all others?
Or when a tree falls in the forest and no one is there ...is your husband still wrong?

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The Oneness enigma....when I raise my arm....does it effect a butterfly in China?
Are consciousness and air like water? Like when a fish is in distress it's felt by all others?
Or when a tree falls in the forest and no one is there ...is your husband still wrong?



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Theory being meaningless from the practical standpoint ... all the stuff about self & non-self, being and not being, observing vs witnessing, knowing what is not to know what is and so on ... what we are saying is that in actual lived experience in the state of being flowing in the now continuum employing intuition rather than analysis (ego rested or disassociated) with a detached orientation of acceptance, fearlessness and desirelessness, there is a continuation of renewal of bliss with us as a receptor ... meaning that there is a separate person ... a receiver who feels blissful in the Oneness connectedness.

Connectedness is good but it is still separateness. A connected to B but not B. A is separate and B is separate.

The understanding by experiencing Oneness imparts the definitive wisdom of all being One no doubt but the state of so being restricted to the duration of the deep trance meditation when we are dissolved in the flow but even there as Oneness but not The Oneness in permanence.

So we emerge from the unified field back to the dualistic field wiser but not enabled.

I’ll be happy to get views from all who have so experienced Oneness and then plonked back into duality. How do we handle this oscillation?
No resolution is possible if you 'frame' the issue that way - in terms of 'connection' of 'separate' states of being.

The conceptual abstraction that oneness is non-duality, a state of being that is 'other' than the state of duality, is itself the source' of the insolubility of 'the problem' you are encountering/experiencing, IMO.

There is only One Being-Doing, which all apparently 'separate' experiences and expressions are integral (therefore never really 'separate) aspects of.

The 'problem' may (must?) be resolved the same way that bi-ocular vision is resolved ... by knowing - thinking, feeling, seeing, believing - that what is 'seen' or 'known' by the 'local' self or 'being' (i.e. the 'left' eye, ) is the same thang that is 'seen' or 'known' by universal Self or Being (i.e. the 'right' eye) - that it is just perceived or experienced from (or via) a different 'angle'.

'Polarities' or 'opposites' are always connected - just being 'two' 'sides' of the same 'single' 'coin'.

My guess is and so I would suggest that the problem is that you are living (too much?) just 'in' your 'head' - (seeing things by way of 'detached', from-a-location, 'vision'), and so fall out of 'synch' with your 'heart' (which feels things by way of emotional energy-resonance) - like being able to feel and so feeling one's lover's 'orgasm' at the same time as you feel your 'own'.

Here is an excerpt from my treatise which, though it wasn't written with 'the problem' you pose in mind, may help you to find/arrive at/implement 'the solution'. I hope it at least gives you some ideas which you may profitably apply in that 'direction':
Any and every soul’s developmental ‘journey’ merits ongoing introspective review and reevaluation and, when and where appropriate, the refinement – this is what conscious evolution is all about! – not just of the ‘content’ of what one personally thinks, feels, believes and does in relation to others and Life‑at‑Large, but also of the ‘significance’ one places on and so ‘ascribes’ to one’s self and other selves, in your case the very ‘self’ that thinks, feels, believes and does so. To possibly help expedite such process, here’s a discussion of some often overlooked (because of ‘innocent’ ignorance) but just about as often (for personal expediency) swept under the rug details and issues which, when and as overlooked and/or ignored, often result in folks who don’t yet fully grok what actually happens when a soul transcends selfhood (by whole-mind-n-heart-edly acknowledging and embracing the fact that it and others are integral aspects of The Entity of Life’s, i.e. of Christ’s, Being-n-Doing) being bamboozled by as well as bamboozling others.

For one thing, one’s selfhood doesn’t then just evaporate into insubstantiality or dissolve into inconsequentiality as many have historically, apparently self-effacingly and seemingly humbly, for supposedly unselfish reasons, self-deludingly imagined and other-misleadingly proclaimed. Take the words of anyone who speaks, preaches, or acts in ways which imply that he or she (or his or her ‘kind’) is so self-abnegating as to therefore be especially holy and (so) especially worthy of devotion, reverence, obedience, generosity, etc. with a grain of salt. A posture of personal insignificance may indeed be adopted as a result of a person’s genuinely loving and enjoying and so wishing not to in any way detract from the glorious Magnificence and mind-boggling Grandeur of Life-at-Large, in contrast to which the gestalt of his or her present self as well as the gestalts of other selves may indeed appear – to him or her, that is – to be relatively unimportant. But obsequious, Cosmic Presence or Persona ‘adoring’ stances and corollary behaviors may also be consciously or unconsciously coat‑tail‑rider ‘gain’ motivated, and sometimes even downright wolves-in-sheep’s-clothing predatory in relation to unwitting others!

To put any self or other generated razzle-dazzle that may presently be interfering with your clearly seeing what’s really what in this regard into perspective, let me point to and emphasize the implications of the obvious fact that genuinely devoted husbands and wives – ‘lovers’ of all kinds, really! – recognize that their lives are far from being insignificant in relation to those they love and ‘espouse’. They live and act with consummate awareness of the fact, as well as experience and evince a certain degree of self-appreciation as a result of knowing, that their personal presence and relational engagement functionally complements and enriches their spouse’s lives in ways which they could not and would not be otherwise. This, even as they acknowledge and are deeply grateful for the fact that their own lives are also complemented and enriched in ways that they otherwise would not be by virtue of their having been ‘espoused’ (as a self) themselves. Similarly, Cosmically ‘awakened’ souls continue to live and make choices as personally response-able, choice‑implementing selves who are well worth every ‘bit’ of their ‘salt’, albeit they do so so ‘sacrally’, without putting themselves on any kind of ‘pedestal’, knowing that they are vital components of Life’s Grand Being‑n‑Doing, in other words knowing that they are Love and Joy experiencing and expressing ‘buds’, ‘leaves’, ‘flowers’ and potentially ‘seed’ bearing ‘fruit’ on ‘the Tree’ of Life Itself!
I hope this helps.
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