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Originally Posted by catsquotl
True, But I think that virtue without meditation won't lead to nibanna. Buddha described a pretty clear path to that attainment and it included meditation.
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Well, that's a subtle subject because meditation according to the satipatthana is 'to see it as it is'n and based on insight and realisation as way to liberation. This is not the same as chants and visualisations commonly practiced by Buddhist sects, so when we talk of what Buddha taught, we mean Gotama, and when we talk about what Buddhism teaches, that's probably going to be what someone other than Gotama taught.
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From what I understand from pure land buddhism is that the goal there is to be born in a pure land realm..Which I think is different than nibanna.
Also one could argue that what a neo-nazi, soon to be mass murderer does when he or she sits down to what he/she calls meditation.
I'll let you know when I get there..:)
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