I think there are some of us that try for years and dont get too far .
for me I think there is a bunch of repressed stuff from pats lives I need to clear out first .
If you want different methods the a.p. forum and others have some free books and methods posted on the forum . Obe 4 you has a free book .
http://obe4u.com
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/