[Jyotir]

Hi 7L,

a few points to clarify…

1) it was presented (but I guess that tempts even more so) as qualified by: “hyper-simplification”, and,

2) assumed by context to be describing the prevalent “problem set” as in most unconscious and burdened with disagreeable consequences - the vast majority of people within both genders who are fraught with the issues discussed - even including, and in many cases - the highly educated (surprise), who - in both genders are largely unconscious about the sexual and desire components of their being that rule their lives, and as a result are exploited as such, and being educated have great facility in exploiting others (often as a studied profession or adjunct to one as a “life-quality” pursuit) as a prevalent and unquestioned social dynamic. (I live in a fairly large urban metropolis in the Northern Hemisphere and see this demonstrated incessantly)

3) the case you present is more ideal, less fraught with these problems when actualized, but imo represents a very small minority of people on the planet, although increasingly more individuals are increasingly striving in that direction. Yet even on this supposedly 'spiritual' site people argue against spiritual approach to life insisting that the ultimate goal of human existence is a complacent moral ethical sentimental bourgeois life (home family country)...with a dash of hard science wonder to occasionally ponder.

4) Q: does one‘s “simple humanity” include the need for plastic surgery to preserve the appearance of sexual viability as one ages? Or maybe it’s just about preserving beauty in the ideal classic Greek sense. Ultimately, one can’t cheat death, but one might fool one’s chronological age - or one’s sexual appetites - to obviate another’s possible or presumed alienation that btw cheats or pre-empts others’ “simple humanity” in a way that presumes and judges by surface appearance as to intention - wouldn’t you agree? Do you think that the percentage of men who indulge in porn is equivalent to the percentage of women who wear make-up & sparkly things, color their hair, get cosmetic surgery, and willingly pay 3x as much for clothes that show more skin?

Also, the overriding reason for many women in conforming to certain particular standards or looks or fashions is simple acceptance and/or preventing scorn or negative judgment. I think this is a very primal fear or concern as we are relational, communal beings -- and we want to belong where we are.

But why so? That strikes me as naïve, unexamined, and actually makes my point, since "where we are" is where "we" unconsciously want to be vis-à-vis the preferred disposition of orientation by sexual viability of which age (& age-ism) is also a key but subsidiary component.

so…“women’s perspectives not well understood by men“?
How about by themselves?
And of course the obverse would apply to men as well. That was a major point. So let's be fair

It goes without saying that neither has a good and really useful understanding of mutually divergent identity, attributes, ways, means, and goals, especially in the spiritual sense, because they don‘t understand themselves first. How could they if they are simply unwitting and unconscious reactors to and slaves of these natural forces extant within human existence - male or female?

~ J