[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks..

Yes - this is an interesting thread

NoWayOut;

Non-duality, say, gives us the same footing as Gods? Ok.. However, I can make nothing new in creation.

Hmm - what if I told you that Christ said Our Father exists ALWAYS as a TRINITY ..??...not a single entity - not even a dual entity mother /father - but a triune entity - each aspect integral vital and necessary, fully complimentary - three distinct Primal, and therefore Divine "personalities" this Mind first realises within its Self, its Nature, and that operate in unison to cause all the rest of Creation to flow forth FROM that first Self aware state - each Sentient Mind has this same foundational arrangement, Self created personality, investigates its own existance - made in THAT image Folks...

What if I also told you that Christ said this one was ASSUME to be "god" - the bible god as we now have it - is not ATUALLY a bona fide god at all - it is itself merely a creature He said - an Angel - NOT the SOURCE of this creation at all - not the SOURCE OF KARMA that IS the creation process as described - this Angel DID create mankind directly HE said - but just as you notice above - this Angel is NOT creating anything NEW or unique - ALL it is actually doing, is manipulating and forming this energy, that is ALREADY HERE when this so called "god" first comes forth..

God creates, that is simple in my minds view.........................Ponder on that and then look at the stars at night, science is seeing that there are just as many universes as there are galaxies, as there are planets in the sky. It's endless.....

And that's just the visible creation, then there are the spiritual dimensions, places human eyes have not seen, Jesus tells us.

YES, EXACTLY !!! He actually said that such spiritual realms exist that are not even accessable at all, YET, for a mortal spirit - first they must be completely freed - not just in mortal death - but must come to that crucial Self awareness AS an eternal Soul and realise that potential, in order to break that reincarnation cycle and entirely leave this low mortal realm, and start the return to that Source of All, Our Father..

He DID ACTUALY SAY that the Jewish god we call Yhvh - the bible god the western world knows as THE god - is not the supreme legitimate Divine spirit - He said that spirit, Our Father, exists in a state, or realm of Being, that is totally beyond the mortal ability to attain...We are ENERGY - made LITERALLY from that primal light that forms ALL CREATION... We know from the world around and our science that investigates that world, that this energy comes now in many many forms - broadly speaking it holds to three main states - solid liquid or gas.. we know for example that ice can BECOME water and then BECOME steam - and all it takes is a little manipulation of the ENERGY that forms the water/ice steam... The steam SEEMS to disappear and cease to exist HERE inteis realm - we cant detect it with ou limited senses tune specifically to this state of existence - BUT - the energy itself has not disappeared - its just CHANGED FORM - sateam became fully etheric and evaportated - exists nw ina muc subtler form that we no longer detect - its STILL THERE of course, the energy pattern is different that is all...

Same for spiritual reality - it ALWAYS surrounds us - but is NOT ACCESSABLE until we alter our own INTERLA state of energy - and remember, this energy that we are is also the MIND that we are - hence the MIND creates everything FROM the energy - thus - KNOW THY SELF is the first advise - come to know that YOU do this creation of the Self BY the Self, always... THROUGH the Mind and Self awareness, we must identify that inner primal energy - cultivate it - purify it very similar to ice raises its energy to become water and again to become steam - so too the Human spirit must be raised in its energetic quality - purified if you prefer - we too must take that energy and make it pass out of this realm to assimilate and become one with the greater reality that has always surrounded us, as far as we may YET attain....

Tethered to a mortal and physical form like this, there is only so far we can ascend at present - Buddha for example, took His Soul as far as a mortal bound Soul MAY attain - upon death, Buddha would have become Immortal beyond any doubt - Christ teaching is primarily to prepare our Self HERE in life by directly uncovering and giving "birth" to that Soul - and preparing that Soul then to be vigilant at the point of mortal death, ready to take control of its Karma at that instant - forgive the Self its former ignorance - and begin to Create the Self anew with proper Self understanding.. The only crucial difference is that Christ came DIRECTLY FROM the Source with full Self understanding and thus had foreknowledge of spiritual truths that no mortal man had ever known before, not even "god and angels above" He said know HIS truth or have ever encountered Our Father or that Primal state, realm of existence.. The rest of us, like Buddha did, must uncover it slowly step by step by deep inner Self observation..

(Indeed - that Primal realm - first ream where the Trinity dwell in formless abstract Silence - Barbello He calls that realm - and said that before He came among us it was entirely unknown, energetically separate, isolated on purpose so that the Souls, Angels and their "god" here in this realm did not have any idea at all that a much greater power existed before them)..

Upon death - and in that state of Self aware mastery - the Soul is freed FULLY and may then transcend that enforced reincarnation cycle if it so pleases - or it may CHOOSE to come back here again to enlighten those poor Souls still trapped in this prison, struggling against their imposed mortal bondage..

I say it that way with intent and purpose Folks - enforced, prison, trapped - because according to Christ, as I have said - this one yhvh is NOT the god supreme, but is only an Angel, a Creature like You and I are....It craves power and authority He said, and has literally kept us in total spiritual ignorance (until Christ came among us) to ensure that it remained dominant, it has forbidden spiritual truth to mankind, made it demonised, threatened all with eternal damnation and suffering if we disobey it - through this enforced ignorance and fear it holds the spirits here captive, unable to ascend past its lies, re creating the ignorance of this mortal world time after time as that is all they know - KARMA is unstoppable - you WILL create that whicjh you believe your Self to Be.. The one you think of as "god" has kept you (all) spiritually dominated through enforced ignorance and twisted truth - it even physically alterered the form to stop the spiritual energy from being used properly - and so you never realise your eternal nature, never free the Soul from this mortal prison that is forced upon it and must endure life after life now, in bondage to that Angel Yhvh who forces you to bow down and worship and has ensured that at present, without Christ, you will never escape its nefarious influence...