Glorymist,
Thank you for your discussion. There are points which I would agree with, others upon which I guess we will have to beg to differ. I think it boils down to what seems to resonate with me at the time is what I believe - I feel it out and in many cases cannot check any deeper until more capable of doing so - in the meantime, the concept in question is tentatively accepted as the best information available, and remains subject to review. I reply because I think there may be some points that need clarification.
I know that it is generally accepted that many have "ascended", and that some "still live here on the physical plane". However, the whole idea of ascending at this time, since it is a loooong process which goes on for ages and there is always more to do, is that as one ascends, one should keep the physical body and live (and anchor a pattern of) the ascending human life in the physical. So of course there will be a goodly number of ascending humans alive in the physical... but "ascended"? This is an ongoing process if the ascent is a proper and complete one; "ascended" actually probably doesn't apply.

I beg to differ here - I believe there is both individual karma, mostly inherited from one's forebears or ancestral lineages, and collective or group karma (such as company, locality, country, religion, and human-species karma).

Yes, there's nothing wrong with ascension as such; it is that ascension upon Planet Earth, for all species, is a much more difficult process that many would imagine who had not tried it! The reason for this is that our inherited DNA is key to the process, and it has been greatly messed around with over the ages. Also, the history explains why there are such deeply embedded polarity issues that are often very hard to address effectively. You may say that that is something in the individual that he or she must face, and that is true... why is that? The history explains it, but the individual still has the responsibility to bring it to balance.

They say that pain is a great teacher... for one, it tells you that something is out of balance, and you can then choose to work on it. However, the body will not, in my opinion, be an adequate vehicle for Soul unless and until it is re-built into the crystalline cell-format and tuned up as required.

I beg to disagree with the idea that DNA is not key to ascension. DNA is crystalline; it is multi-dimensional, and physical DNA is a representation in physical substance of one's etheric and higher DNA. DNA acts as a receiver of higher dimensional energies and instructions, and is a recording medium for every experience, skill, etc. of the owner. This is why ancestry and genetic lineages are so important.... the DNA has the instructions for building the body; if the instructions for producing certain transformative enzymes are not present (for instance), then when it comes to do certain necessary physical transformations, the body cannot do them. Then the ascent could go no further, unless and until the requisite DNA containing those instructions can be found among one's ancient ancestors and drawn into one's field and built in to the physical by the angels who do this work. One has to learn how to research one's ancient ancestral lineages during dreamtime in the temples that have been made for the purpose, and then make the necessary intentions to bring this DNA down into physicality.

Yes, I agree - that is one way to look at it - and as one follows this lead of "Know ye first the Kingdom of God..." the rest of what is necessary would doubtless be discovered in due course.

But I would comment that the body can not be allowed to just "look after itself" in this - it needs to be a more conscious process than that, to be effective and timely. You need to intend it, and have some conscious knowledge of how things are progressing. In ascending to Full Consciousness, one is becoming conscious upon all dimensions in which one exists, and this means you are aware of what's going on upon all levels.

Everyone is loved, everyone is important within Creation!!! Even the humble ant!
One must realise that the past fouling up of Earth's evolutionary pathway has made for circumstances that are very hazardous for the rest of our Creation, should ascension go awry and empowered but still harmful humans result - which is why there are Ascension Counsels to oversee the process and who are skilled in giving the help needed when a "knotty problem" crops up - and to my understanding there have been some real "bottlers"!

This is true.... but many people still have to recognise this in a practical way, and take back the power that has been given away. This requires a deep, non-trivial look into one's nature, thoughts and actions, and persistent intentions.

How can you be so sure? The ascenders I know are dealing with them all the time!
All of this is true - Soul would not be around (or at least not able to embody), until the machinery is removed, piece by piece, and replaced by Soul's conscious direction. The removal of most of the machinery is necessary for the individual to pass the initiation of reaching "6000 strands of DNA equivalence in consciousness" (according to the SSOA teachings), as the energy-flows in such an one are too complex for machinery to be running them.

Well, Glorymist, this has been a long and detailed post - I hope it will be interesting and of some use in making things clearer, as to what I mean.

Pounamu.