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Originally Posted by Lynn
At the same time, non duality also says that the world is not real, but is an illusion perceived by the mind.
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Thats true. We perceive the world to be real in a certain type of way, that is the illusion. There is no inherent existence of a long lasting self but this is not denying existence. As has been shown to me and others through signs, synchronicities and such like that there was more to the story than meets the eye. I'm sure however this is a starting point or premise for all believers and seekers of all traditions and faiths and pathways. So reality is presented to joe bloggs in a certain type of way, he perceives it in this type of way until one day something out the ordinary something occurs which doesn't fit into the given paradigms for our existence here which are generally presented through science, politics, sociology or whatever. So what has happened ? Has there been a quantum shift in orthodox education that now includes what joe has seen and it has been announced on the Tv while joe was asleep? No, the same paradigms persist its just now joe nows that its not the fully story or to put it more commonly joe in not in charge as he once thought, so if joe is not in charge (which could be a relief lol) then who or what is, does joe even exist in the way he once thought he did ?