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Originally Posted by Jyotir
Hi Ianm1192,
Since in Spiritual Forums, this is the General Beliefs Forum , for “any other spiritual and metaphysical discussions”, I’d like to offer the following in response to your OP:
Sure it is.
And in said approach, it is virtually unavoidable.
Ritual complexity; intellectual management of excruciating detail; reality manipulation; wants, desires, dislikes, etc.
It’s trying to be a self-styled ‘god’ by having ‘reality’ surrender to one’s own ‘power’.
Just a suggestion, but…
Why don’t you try spirituality?
e.g. Surrendering in some way, to God’s Love, Compassion, Will/Vision for you.
This is infinitely more certain, more expeditious, more satisfying; less tedious, less fraught, less subject to the vagaries of one’s own obscurity.
And there’s that vexing invisibility issue you introduced, that is often mysteriously so clear, but only in retrospect (with or without regret!).
Of course, if ‘God’ is the anthropomorphic male senior-citizen embodiment of Aversion to ‘my’ autonomy, then this presumed definition, attitude, and orientation could perhaps be more seriously meditated on and examined for the purpose of a deeper more holistic and truly subjective circumspective reality expansion and transformation - which seems to be exactly the object intended according to your OP anyway - only through a more effective, more meaningful and more satisfying means....
That being: by direct Identity…iow - allowing God to appropriately be the ‘Magician’, which does btw happen to involve a significant Creativity. But importantly, that creativity both aspires to and utilizes truth-consciousness as its means, whereby one becomes the instrument of Truth, vs. the mere wannabe puppet-master of forms and forces.
Just my tuppenceworth & I hope I've as well been sufficiently precise with words.
~ J
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You appear to be speaking of one particular god, though you do not name a religion.
The source god I believe in is so completely nuetral, I can borrow energy from them but they will not act in anyone's favor. Unless of course I am wrong about there being no purpose. But then comes the messy issue of did they intend for me to suffer or to be relieved from suffering? When? Etc. There is no fighting against the will of the divine when there is a fated purpose. So prayer and asking for favors is hopeless.
Unless of course they change their mind. And I suppose if they had any desire to do so they could manage well enough the various strings affected. But I don't know. It all seems rather convoluted, and at the end of the day, any spiritual force could be communicating meaning and purpose to me, and it all might sound very pretty and appease my sensibilities. But that doesn't mean I know who or what I am communicating with, what true authority they have, and whether or not they are being honest with me.
As for picking a deity to work with, I only want to work with deities who do not require me to dedicate eternal or life long servitude to them. Although if I were capable of reaching them convincingly enough to debate a fair agreement, I may consider it.
Given my current state of being, this is impossible unless through another practitioner.
Also, not being able to communicate effectively with being makes me nervous to try and work with most, given my own behaviour patterns and not wanting to unwittingly draw out the wrath of any god or goddess.
I'm sure there is a force of love I can call upon, but even then, when dealing with independent beings I'm not entirely sure who is answering or who I'm working with- I've come to realize recently that even malevolent forces can put on a pretty face and seem good.
And if I am specifically calling upon an energy and not an independent being, well, I am still working with having to learn to harness these things myself.
So I'm not certain whether you are preaching a particular religious path or not. You said why don't I try spirituality, so I would assume not.
Thing is, I tried the new age version of spirituality. And for awhile it was calming. But eventually, **** kept hitting the fan. I can't quite look at spirituality with the same puppy dog and roses view of things as I did before. And I'm not quite sure I should be either. Existence is both good and bad. And I think we find truth more readily in balance.
I don't think our purpose and beings are love. Love is very utilitarian for our species. But when we go beyond ourselves into the greater world, well, there is so much more. And quite frankly existence can and will eat us up. Sometimes because we did things wrong and sometimes just because we are unlucky.
I can't pretend to have the ultimate answers of how the spiritual world works, because I frankly cannot verify anything one way or another. All I can say is what makes sense to me based on my experience. And if there is a force of love out there they have their own plans that aren't quite including what I want. And I don't have the patience to wait for them when I am quite incapable of putting absolute faith into them.
Besides I don't care who or what has made what plans for me. It is my life and I am the one affected. I know others are too, by extension, but not having this knowledge, I need to do what I can to help myself.
Because quite frankly, any deity could sweep down and pull out these malevolent spirits well enough. They could make more of an effort, more of a dent. And as things improved, I could very easily start to take control and do more myself and prevent this from ever happening again.
For whatever reason they can't or they won't. So why should I wait around for them?