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Originally Posted by The Necromancer
Namaste.
I always have to wonder why there would need to be a 'Lord' or an 'Ishwara' involved here at all, if one could just simply say "you are not the mind, body, nor ego" and just leave it at that...and then, all Hindus would be Buddhists. LOL
Why create a 'Lord' and give it attributes if a 'Lord' does not exist beyond Self?
If Shiva is me...well, I am not a yoga master, I do not have a blue throat, sit on a tiger skin, own a trishula, wear the moon in my hair...this is what I do not get! nope...don't get it...not at all.
I don't recall creating the universe...
If people are the Lord, why are there so many temples? why do people pray and worship a 'Lord' when they are simply worshiping themselves by doing that?...nope, don't get it.
Yeah, I know that Shiva is in my heart, but Shiva isn't who I am.
There's a subtle difference between the Jivatman (embodied soul) and the Paramatman (divine soul) and that difference is what enables us to relate to the Divine Soul as being separate from what we are, even at a soul/self level.
I prefer what I have read in the Taittiriya Upanishad and Dakshinamurthy Stotram about it all:
"By contemplating Mahesvara dwelling in the microcosm (vyashti), the devotee will become co-extensive with the macrocosm. This the Sruti has declared ten times in the words "he unites with Atman."
Having first enumerated the five kosas (sheaths) of the individual, the Taittiriya-Upanishad (2–8) declares five times that the devotee attains unity with Brahman, dwelling in the anandamaya kosa as the basis of all, in the words " He unites with annamaya Atman; he unites with pranamaya Atman; he unites with manomaya Atman; he unites with vijnanamaya Atman; he unites with anandamaya Atman." Again, later on, the Upanishad speaks of the five kosas in the macrocosm, and at the end (3–10) declares five times, as shown above, that the devotee attains unity with Brahman."
Aum Namah Shivaya
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This debate is central to our history as religious beings. As I pointed out in the article, only our view is incorrect. Unity is yoga. To gain unity, we must first be divided from the thing we gain union with. This is a central concept relating to how love operates. To gain mastery over aspects of the self, you must first be devoid of mastery. To gain peace, you must first know what it means to have strife. To gain patience, you must know what it means to be angry. All virtues are like God's essence. They are perquisite to possessing them, or better stated, being possessed by them.
A Spirit is a mode of thought, which then manifests itself into action. To be named by love, we must be loving. You can't claim peace without being peaceful. God is known by his attributes, so claiming the attributes of God is being in possession of them. Ishvara is the ruler of self first, then others if reality necessitates a Lord. To claim the title, we must be the thing the title requires, which is the one law outlined in the Upanishades, Dhammapada and the Christian texts--Love. This is explained well in the story of Abraham.
Abraham was told to sacrifice the promise of Issac's relative future. By asking Abraham to sacrifice the future nation held in the seed of Issac, Abraham had to trust that the request was necessary. At the moment of the sacrifice, he was stopped. This one event in the life of Abraham shows us something profound about the nature of relative states of duality. Issac was not to be a sacrifice for his Father. In other words, this video is incorrect by view, but not by content it teaches:
See this video on the topic of one being living all lives. Flip this to also imply all beings living inside one being. Do they die, only for the benefit of the one they come from, or is there a larger intent? Does Love produce family?
https://youtu.be/D1VN5zICGeU
By this view, we are simply a host for one being. By the Christian view, the one being is a sacrifice for all the rest. By the correct view, there is no paradox of duality within absolute nature. We ALL inherit the Lord's work. That work is a collective effort, ending in unity at the conclusion of the process. We gain ALL collective knowledge, or as the Bible and Upanishads state, we gain awareness of all things. Once you possess what you formally lacked by collective wisdom and knowledge, you lack none of the attributes of God. You are a conformed image, yet the work was not yours alone.
As I state in the article, most people have the wrong view. It's not black or white. It's a rainbow. It takes a higher order of thinking to conceptualize absolute nature possessed by all beings already. We must come to realize what is already inside us. Even Jesus had to walk this path. So did the Buddha. They had to come to the realization of BUDH (Awakening). Know thyself. It's all true, not just one relative part. All relatives are in the absolute. Love and know them all. No division from the whole, or yoga is not practiced; love is not practiced. God is Love. Be what God is and you are this.
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