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Originally Posted by Badger1777

This is typical human nature. One thing on its own is not enough to result in a certain outcome, so therefore that one thing is dismissed entirely, rather than it being acknowledged that the outcome could have been the result of many cumulative factors.

I have no doubt it was cumulative.

Of course WW2 was not won because some people danced round a fire. Of course it was not won because some people exerted every ounce of energy they could muster to try to have some small influence on the minds of the enemy. To suggest it was would be both absurd, and insulting to the many thousands of men and women who fought extremely hard on every front.

I only said it wasn't won by a coven in new forest.

At no point did I suggest that some witches won the war. You may want to actually read what I said rather than paraphrasing and manipulating it to suit your own argument, which again is another typical human trait. Then you would see that I observed that there is a possible coincidence between this alleged event, and hitler's unexplained hesitation which gave us a slight advantage against a militarily superior force.

I doubt it had any effect other than kill a couple of old codgers.

But I duck out of this now. Rewinding back to the original topic of this thread, I maintain that exerting energy for magic does take its toll. Clearly my view is not the same as many here, who seem to believe that there is no price for such things. So we have a difference of opinion, that's fine. Either or both could be right or wrong.

It's always good to dispel a fallacy, and considering the huge number of people praying (and other means of wishful intention), we could consider the coven in New Forest to be minimally effective while causing deaths due to neglect of duty of care. That is quite a toll.

Of course everything people do has a consequence, or takes a toll.