[Lucky 1]

Originally Posted by Starlight

Regarding there not being enough vegetation to feed 7 million people.... The animals themselves have to be fed on grains,corn etc grown of the earth.
If meat can be mass produced then that meat in its life needs feeding.
Surely that food that is fed to them could be used to to feed people, corn and grain could go a long way as animals themselves would not be in the numbers they are now in any way.. as they would not be needed to be mass produced and artificially bred. Nature would naturally select.

Also, if animals can be mass produced for food this can be easily done with crop surely in most areas of the world. Orchards etc.

The fact is humans can live off a variety of plants and vegetation. Some of the things we are not even familiar with, if society was different it would be more known. Even remote places have something, the earth is plentiful and full of nutrients and goodness in the strangest places.

I call it human lack of intelligence on the subject on a mass scale (or just the love of the taste of meat) that takes the enquiring mind away from studying nutrition and how to find it.

People will sooner head to a burger bar than read a book on the nutrients of a tree or plant.

It is society to blame....they have distorted peoples natural way of thinking from the beginning of time and replaced it with nonsense and multi million pound organisations of corruption, greed and cruelty regarding our food.

It is the mindset of the person that is in question , the motive and the reason.

Hunting for fun I do not agree with..this is cruel....factory farming is cruel.

As for farmers trying to scratch a living?
I dont think I have ever seen a farmer who truly cares for their 'animals' at all...they care for the money that their flesh will bring...
....... but this is when the spirit of a person(the farmer) comes through,,, and the measure of the man (or woman ) I feel...

How does one claim to care on a farm for their livestock and then pack them off for slaughter without a second thought....
where is the compassion for the poor beast that looks into your eyes as you load it onto the slaughter truck when there is a tree full of apples in the next field. Some even name their animals...talk to them...and as cold as you like send "Old Berty"to be killed without the blink of an eye...some even eat them themselves.....to me this is beyond comprehension.

You may say I look at it too simplistically but if this thinking was widespread there would be less health problems, the right amount of animals in the world in their natural native countries and less violence and negative vibrations due to animal murder on mass scale and the consumption of slaughtered flesh.

I still stand by what I have said all along.. love and compassion for all living things is the basis of spirituality.
I wish you well

Starlight....for starters......grazing type animals like cattle are not fed grain all there lives....the fact is that grains.....especially corn will make cows sick after a while....

Cows spend pretty much all there lives out to pasture eating grass ......then before being sold....they are fed grain for a short period of time to fatten them up because cows that eat grass are very lean....

And the type of grain they are fed is generally not what people eat!

I personally don't eat much in the way of grains...esp corn because it is not natural to the human diet and causes any number of health issues.

And you are right....as an omnivore...humans can survive on just about anything edible.....that doesn't mean that everything you can eat is good for you in the long term.

My experience is that people just wont stick with eating a diet they don't like.....no matter how good or bad it is for you.

People tend to eat what they like to eat.... period....and changing that is beyond difficult......just human nature.....

If you're happy on a vegan diet and you do well on it....good for you!!!

But my experience is that the bulk of the population is unsuited to eating that way and if they try it...they wont stick with it.

I personally doubt that more than 20% of the human population can thrive on a vegan diet.

I've known at least 20 people over the years that wanted to go vegan for one reason or another.....and after feeling like they were starving to death for a few months...quit.

I know one person out of that 20 or so that still eats that way.

And for this reason I don't see veganism as anything more than another fad diet that you only find in developed western countries and don't expect that it will ever become mainstream.