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Originally Posted by guthrio
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind"
What we call miracles is NOT contravention of science. The accomplishment of miracles comes from a knowledge base that science has not yet incorporated into its paradigm of "what is possible". Such as stance is ripe for refutation by verifiable, repeatable, quantifiable evidence, as I mentioned before. The accomplishment of miracles is based on principles, too. And once you discover them in yourself (and they ARE waiting for you to do so) just as scientists have been "discovering" new ways of looking at the Universe, you, too will be able to utilize these principles to accomplish the very same things.
If the accomplishment of miracles was NOT based on unchangeable principles, Jesus would not have been able to truthfully say "Greater things than these shall you also do." Not so just one person can do it, but so that anybody could do it, following relevant principles. And once you discover them in yourself (and they ARE waiting for you to do so) you, too, will be able to utilize these principles to accomplish the very same things. Exactly as scientists apply knowledge gleaned from ‘previously undiscovered’ ways of looking at the Universe.
THAT'S what true science or religion is....
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A very fine collection of all those 'things' we need to convince ourselves - but only if we are willing to be convinced.
I'd like to take this opportunity again (I've posed the same question many times) to know what miracles are. I've never seen one, nor can I in my long life recall ever having seen one reported or filmed or commentated.
Obviously the thing about walking on water and so on was a long time ago and really can't count in view of all those 'old wives' tales' kicking around all over the place.
But guide me to one miracle please, just one.