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Originally Posted by BlueSky
They are ways to perceive the world other than the most accepted way, which is as a me and a you.
So to me they are mind games and when dropped, you are once again left simply not knowing.
I'm OK with that, I'm just curious why you all feel otherwise.
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I feel otherwise.
The Buddhist training. re-wires the brain/mind in a tangible and sometimes even measurable way. Fmri's, the studies in neuroplasticity which seem to come up.
They seem to suggest that there are "states" of being which are noticeably and measurably different from the "normal" states of sleep, deep sleep and wakefulness.
Those that practice the path. eventually go beyond faith belief and doubt into a world where what at first is taken on faith is now a lived reality.
The pragmatic dharma movement has many practitioners claiming they attained what the Buddha taught. often without the Spiritual clutter we see in the more traditional Buddhist religions..
With Love
Eelco