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Old 24-06-2017, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bohdiyana
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Seems to me there is a state of being, where one is fully themselves, it's just one is not thinking.
To be in this state takes awake awareness. One "knows" or is aware they are in this state
but this knowing does not include thinking.

Beware not to cultivating this old anti-thinking ressentment that is so prominent in some modern forms of buddhism in the west. This is so silly because this resentment is supported by nothing other than wrong thinking.

How can you be fully yourself if you reject thinking? Do you want to pretend that thinking is not part of yourself? 'Awake awareness' is a nice idea but to arrive even at that idea thinking is required. And if you can't integrate thinking with an experience of 'awake awareness' then 'awake awareness' remains just an idea arrived at by thinking.
So there in terms of right thinking there is a link between this thinking and experience. That then may be called 'right thinking' and the knowledge arising from that 'valid' or 'right knowledge' what the buddha has expressed 'when you know for yourself'.
Without thinking you can never 'know for yourself'.

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Originally Posted by Bohdiyana
But if you are outside of the box, you are not thinking
I'm not sure thinking outside the box is possible.
If you think outside the box...you are just in a bigger box.
you can't leave your body and you can't leave the sphere of your experience. but you can leave 'the box' of habitual thinking cultivated so far which has shaped the quality of your experience so far and thus caused the sentiment of being enclosed in a limitting 'box' in the first place.

That might be a secondary aim worthwhile to pursue: to enable oneself to think outside the box.
What is the sign? the correct sign would be that one has not attained a primary aim through the thinking practised so far.

Syllogism:
Thinking outside of the box is necessary because of not having realized the primary aim so far.

What would be a wrong conclusion from the sign? A wrong conclusion would be to stop thinking. Why? Because the primary aim would not be realized at all. Of course if the primary aim is just to stop thinking - for what reason ever, most likely wrong thinking - one could try to work against human nature.
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