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The confusion you're seeing is due to people repeating what they hear but don't practice as well as the subjective nature of it all. Those that do actually do it still have a hard time articulating the science behind it (if we can even agree on a definition for "science" lol).
If I dream that I astral project am I still doing it? I say no because I am (me, consciousness) focused in the location of the body, inside the dreaming brain.
If I don't dream (meaning I've stopped the hypnogogic state from happening or ignored passed it) while maintaining my INtention to employ an exit technique I focus into the location outside of the body, outside of the dreaming brain.
There's two things here that happen: 1 - people enter an etheric projection body and superimpose the data of the realm they are used to over the etheric experience. Yes we left the body however you've created a hologram reality to enter into using the intelligence of the only other realm you know because you have no frame of reference outside of our own human experience using the data or intelligence of said small experience.
2 - people may actually have an astral body (multiple vessels too) as there are different enlightenment bodies, bliss body, etc.... that must be built over lifetimes or through the help of a true guru. These are made of the intelligence of the higher realms and match almost nothing we've ever witnessed before using ones own small self/physical vessel and the intelligence and memory biased to it.
If we enter the hypnogogic hologram (dream) we are inside our mind.
If we stop dreaming (stop the mental chatter and enter emptiness while carrying our INtention with us) we enter the world outside of us, in the environment around it.
I have backed this up by repetitive experiments and veridical evidence (meaning what I witnessed actually happened in the real world in real time). Take a look at Sylvan Muldoon and Heward Carrington's work. It's being forgotten because it is from a century ago but it's fantastic. I always direct people to Robert Monroe's work as well. Listen to how he describes "phasing" levels of consciousness and going in and out of different locations of focus. There's probably more but I haven't looked. These are my own "vetted" sources to some degree or another in parallel with my own experiences.
I hope that helps!! <3
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