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Old 01-06-2020, 07:19 PM
Kioma
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Originally Posted by Siemens
You say the soul does not consist of particles, but is an energetic process. You also said that energy exists in form of power that can move or transform the state of particles (or things made of particles). How could energy exist if there were no particles between which energy could manifest itself?

Feelings, perceptions, mental images, and thoughts are what we experience, but there must be something that underlies feelings, mental images, and thoughts. There must be something that gives rise to feelings, mental images, and thoughts. What is it?

It cannot be the case that feelings, images, and thoughts exist autonomously, and that there is nothing behind consciousness.

It cannot be the case that the conscious experience were a standalone thing. Because conscious thoughts, for example, require information processing.

Conscious thoughts require processing that isn’t conscious. What mechanisms do accomplish the processing that underlies conscious thoughts and what are these thought-generating-mechanisms made of? The answer to this question equals to what a soul is.

Once again you get right to the heart of the matter. Those are very central questions to the topic, and deserve deep exploration.

I've already spoken briefly about the difficulty of discussing metaphysics and spirituality, and what I was referring to by that was specifically from a material perspective. In all honesty, it can't be done. It can be talked about, but true understanding of metaphysics and spirituality are simply impossible to convey through strictly material concepts, for the simple reason that metaphysics and spirituality, by definition, are not material.

So I will start this explanation by introducing another key word which I feel specifically illustrates the difficulty of this discussion from a purely material standpoint, and that word is transcend.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/transcend?s=t

From 'transcend' we get the word transcendent.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/transcendent

The complexities here are immense, but I think I will just speak directly to your concerns by simply saying there are theories of how the 'spiritual' influences the physical, even though it is, by definition, not physical - most notably Stuart Hameroff's theory of Quantum consciousness which, among other things, leaves open a scientifically viable avenue for the ethereal to influence the physical: http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/

The science on this is in it's infancy, but if you are truly curious then there it is - it is possible for the physical to be animated by "nothing" in the material sense.
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