[Jyotir]

Originally Posted by Moondance

This is full of the (I'm sure, unintentional) misdirection mentioned before. Here’s a couple of examples:



Yes, nonduality IS unconditional and unavoidable. But realisation is not.



Again, the red herring. We are not talking about connection since repeatedly it has been agreed that connection is always already the case. We are talking about realisation OF connection. Realisation OF connection IS NOT THE CASE until it is.

Also:

“Connection is unconditional and unavoidable and therefore requiring no change whatsoever.”

Yes, repeatedly this has been agreed on.

“This of course includes changes such as the end of feeling disconnected and realization.”

Yes, these are not needed for connection to be the case. But realisation IS needed for realisation of connection to be the case.



Once again (and if possible, without recourse to the red herring), do you disagree that in order for realisation of Oneness (or realisation of connection to Oneness) to be the case, realisation needs to happen?

Right Moondance,

Or rather,
I'm simply in agreement on your point....which seems to be that the essence of iamit's "unconditionality is ...a very clear condition.

Acknowledging that this is a subtle point, but that red herring is s slippery fish!

~ J