[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Hey :)

It really is okay for peeps not to follow up on my counter questions pertaining to their ideas / notions and beliefs . It will leave them food for thought or it won't and that's okay, but it will give peeps the sense of where I am coming from and reflects at times things are not as they seem to be . Things are not as they seem to be regarding why we suffer and what constitutes free will amongst other things .

Hey there Dazza :) For sure, there is still much that remains a mystery.

But to simplify greatly, it is so, because whilst still largely unawakened and misaligned, we will it so and (re)create it as such.

As we more fully awaken and consciously align to our centre, we will and (re)create differently. Indeed :)

Your right in that there has not been much follow up regarding the doer being illusory and such likes, the more questions are asked about that which is illusory always gets squashed when we delve a little deeper so instead of following up the illusory part and making a case for it one perhaps begins to see that it's a no brainer to start with and rather let sleeping dogs lie .

Maybe so, yes. Most of the folks who didn't get a lot of follow up response were more the ones who spoke about the insights & resolution of this issue from the perspective of the heart-led consciousness and very possibly they may not have seen your more recent responses where you discussed that more fully from your own perspective.

I think that happens often even when we look at the free will aspect to cry as explained, it's easy to say I have the free will to cry or not when you have the means to cry or not lol .

As we drill down a bit, yes, things get more nuanced.

Issues of external means (food, shelter, eventually even just governance) will largely be addressed when enough folks have awakened and will the higher good of all.

Whereas issues of internal means are 2-fold: if they relate directly to emotion (such as crying) then they can't be other than what they are. Sometimes your grief is buried or obstructed and you can't feel, much less cry. These things can only be handled gently over time.

But if the internal means relate to intent, though, word or deed...these are things over which you can exercise conscious choice.
Meaning, just because Source knows what you will or won't do, so what? ;)

Because Source also knows if YOU want to do something differently now or in the next moment, then THAT becomes what Source knows of you and THAT becomes what you were "always meant to do". That is a rather meaningless phrase but we earthlings still use it all the time like it means something ;) And it's what Source has known all along, supposedly, whilst to us it can be seen as changing everything. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that it only seems like (quantum) paradox. Source isn't ONLY or exclusively "observing" from on high outside time and space...Source/we are also doing and being down here, on the ground inside time/space.

And the reason we're down here is to become aware and take ownership. There is no way to do and be love without being here now, from a place of awareness where we acknowledge that everyone and everthing matter. "Namaste", ahimsa, authentic love and all the rest are meaningless if we don't have to take ownership because no one (else) matters.

My understanding is that this entire material realm exists in no small part to provide a place where we can become aware and take ownership of who and what and all that we are. Our awareness and ownership are fundamentally premised on (our uncovering the reality that) everything and everyone matter.

When G.S. spoke about there not being an answer anytime soon is based upon the level of the answer/s ..

I wasn't looking for the holy grail or the mother of all answers, I was in a way more open to the notion and fact that there needs all the facts at hand while also noting what energies lie at the heart of self and at the heart of spirit prior to incarnation .

Going back to the heart center or back to the Source of oneself or God is Love, (roughly translated) so no matter how we dress any expression up there is only what we are and what we are that is, at the heart of anything ..

There is only who/what we are at centre, yes. 1) Becoming aware of what we are, 2) aligning our lives with the truth of who/what we are and consciously taking decisions from this place -- these things are another matter, in that they require our conscious engagement with the truth that there is only who/what we.

They require that we take the reigns and steer our own journey...that's where ownership (and partnership w/source, guides, fellow travellers, etc.) comes into play.

We have to at some point keep going back to what we are be it the doer or observer, the lover or the abuser etc ..

Yes, and ultimately, we will circle round and round who we at centre -- until we begin to do so with conscious engagement and ownership. It seems compassion and lovingkindness as well as discipline, restraint, and temperance are valuable on this journey. Being present, and seeing and listening with "mind in heart".

There can be a quantum entanglement as G.S put it and one can leave it be entangled or one can try and unravel self and enquire ..

Speaking from experience, IMO we should all do the latter regardless (sort your own stuff or portion of the shared stuff).

Degrees of entanglement (so to speak) vary but at the deepest level it is foundational and cannot be undone without putting your own soul back into the "melting pot" and thereby ending your individuated piece of What Is So...IMO, best to live clean and love kindly and justly, taking particular care and kindness around the deepest sorts of entanglement.

Regardless, it's clear to me that for each of us, your bit is still on you and no one else. So might as well get on with sorting and owning your stuff, LOL so as to make all that entanglement easier to sort and bear.

There are no right or wrong ways to go about how one does that or if there is the thought to simply let things be as they are without contemplating on it .

When the wind blows it blows, when it doesn't it doesn't .. it's all good .

This perhaps ties in with what you said about different levels and one challenges or burdens ..

This is actually what I was pushing a while back about the veil of forgetfulness .

I think, with regard to the pre-arrangements, this bit you said above is among the most relevant and important. I did get my question on this asked and answered "in public", and I would say (omitting details, LOL), that the overall takeaway would be similar to what you say here. That, and that the importance of lovingkindness is front and centre, particularly as we move into spaces of deeper awareness. (BTW I feel like Nature's Flow could have said that and I wonder what's she's up to these days?)

Divine order comes to mind which on an immediate level doesn't reflect free will if one has to wait for the right moment .

Who/m or what put's divine order in motion is probably another question for another day .

x daz x

For certain, it's complex. There is struggle, there is healing, there is growth, there are the many external factors, there is the multifaceted will and input of the multitudes of sentient beings and collective groups even just here are earth...

As to who puts it in motion, it's a combo of all I mentioned, plus all the masters and guides caring for this realm in all levels, including what we call the higher realms and in spirit.

I have been asked a handful of times about a major trajectory on my path. In each case, guides discussed the situation (do you want to do this?) and we talked and I said either yes or no. It used to be more in the nature of prayer or meditation but for many years now it is simply a direct "face-to-face" discussion. We do have input into many things on our journey, we are co-creators of our journey with source and the guides, and we can make changes along the way.

That's what I did. I was determined to awaken and catch up, regarding becoming aware and owning my share. I swam upstream for a bit and now I've rounded that bend. Over time I came to see all of it is in part at least due to a lot of brutal past-life entanglement you might say (very common), mixed in with the (also all too common) burdens and baggage we all carry from this life.

What I will say is this...it's good to remember. It's good to be aware. It's good to catch up and round the bend. These are the initial steps. But on their own they solve, resolve, and absolve nothing. And nor are they meant to do so. It is we who now have the choice to act. With authentic love, mind in heart? Or in some other way?

It is all prelude until we take ownership and act (intend, think, say, and do) in such a way that we align with who we are at centre.

Peace & blessings
7L