Aww, just a bit of a laugh in response the the remark quoted from post #7*. You see it let me read the comment as: Even the spiritually awake can be functionally useful about it if they haven't been through it
I never do any eviscerating, onnist, guv! Nah, not me. All part of the banter that there remark was.

You see, how many tell here that they've been through it and can give any decent evidence? It's experiential so it's really beyond description. I might have been through it and decided to convert it into an old flame and I've one or two of them, I can tell you. Who can truly know?

I kept up with this thread in the hope of enlightenment about "woo woo stuff" (o/p) but alas that's to be denied.

*on whose ignore list I am. It does offer a little latitude.