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Old 27-01-2017, 09:11 PM
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Sine the quote function does not include William's part here, I will skip to the part I wish to address and leave it all intact for future discussions...........
Baile: The lower self (ego) has a kind of independent life of its own, separate from the higher self (I).
Jim: The (apparent) lower self dose not have an independent life of it's own and is not separate from the so-called higher self. There is only ONE self or Reality which manifests or projects an imaginary "lower" or separate self/ego and then enters into an apparently real life-drama which includes lots of other apparent selves, objects, events, lives, etc. All that there is, is the (higher) self or Reality or whatever it is called.

Baile: That same esoteric literature speaks of how that ego activity creates lower astral disturbances (beings and entities), thus the need to transform that ego activity via higher self consciousness.
Jim: All that you are talking abut is done by, for and OF the Reality or Oneness appearing to be an ego or separate whatever.

Baile: So the lower self does have a kind of awareness and independant power of its own, yes.
Jim: Whatever "power" or awareness it appears to have comes from the Source that has projected this apparent "ego". The source alone is all that there is.

Baile: The thing to keep in mind though: this duality only exists from a human material-analytical perspective. We incarnate to experience this duality, it's critical to the soul-spirit learning process.
Jim: We, as the source, appear to incarnate for whatever reason or purpose the Source has to apparently be (here). There is only Source here and Source is both something and nothing, dual and non-dual, is and isn't. You are the Source but may not know it.

Baile: From an absolute truth perspective, non-duality exists. From a relative truth perspective, duality exists. These ideas are not at odds with each other, and can co-exist, do co-exist. It simply depends on an understanding of relative versus absolute truth.
Jim: There is no such thing as absolute or relative "truth". Truth or fact just is. The problem is to PROVE it for your self either with science, metaphysics or however you can. Source doesn't care one way or the other.
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