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Originally Posted by wstein
So much over reaching.
1. It has a beginning: That doesn't mean it was created by a god. Update, there are other theories the suggest 'bangs' happen repeatedly when (mem)branes collide [which removes anything special about this particular beginning].
2. Fine tuned for life: Not really that fine tuned, most of the universe does not support life, its empty and cold. True that some constants are close to preventing life but only as we know it. Other sets of constants produce other stable universes with potentials for other kinds of life.
3. DNA complexity: Its only mindbogglingly complex as compared to man's limited progress. Update, recent experiments show that basic materials in DNA are fairly common near stars/planets. Recent ideas/experiemnts are starting to show how the basic material could combine into crude cells and longer molecule chains.
Before you get the idea, I don't' believe the universe is created, think again. I know it was created.
It's just that none of the above proves anything other than man's very limited understanding of the universe.
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Not to mention that with a multidimensional many worlds multiverse, there are are perhaps infinitely many rolls of the "constants dice". Given that any probability, no matter how small, times infinity, equals infinity, not only is it a certainty that a universe with fine tuned constants such as ours will exist, but that there are infinitely many of them.
However, given the impacts on time coming out of relativity, perhaps one cannot say the universe
was created, only that the multiverse
is.
Of course, both of these concepts are abstractions that are beyond the human mind to hold in their entirety, so who knows what lies beyond them. There is always room for God, but the more dependent we try to make proof of God on the truth of our own human mythologies and pseudoscientific misinterpretations of facts, the more inaccessible and unlikely God becomes. The more someone tries to prove "God" to me by trying to convince me of the truth of the Bible, the more discredited the idea of "God" becomes. While I find wisdom and value in parts and pieces of that book, it is not by a long shot the first place I go to find God.