[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by God-Like

The mind, consciousness, ego and all that jazz will mean different things to different folk and that's okay .

Some might associate consciousness being the mind . I think it's safe enough to say that you can't separate one without the other so to speak .

Referring to the mind with just the brain of the physical as you know is very limiting and when an individual relates to just that then it has a knock on effect to what everything else means .

Hey there Dazzer/GL. I agree you can't separate. Using terms like mind, or what is, or (heart-led) consciousness, or authentic love...ultimately, these are all words we use for the same thing.

The thing is, it's really all on a spectrum and typically we are at the individual end of things in our experiences. Though as we expand our individuated consciousness, these "edges" and positions on the spectrum overlap or co-exist or meld together with one another.

The further down the rabbit hole we go, the more it's possible to perceive the both/and perspective and to live there more and more fully. But for many, it will seem odd or different from their own experiences located firmly in the individual end of the spectrum. The experiential gap is a lot of what this boils down to, I'd say.

My understanding derives from the absence of mind / consciousness so then when awareness returns and when perception returns one begins to understand what is present only when all things were absent ..

That's a good point. One thing that is never missing is the love that is what is, or what I call authentic love (in its totality). That is always present. I think that's what we're supposed to remember when perception returns (to the self). The difference is in connecting to what is from our awakened centre (heart-led awareness) versus solely the crown-led awareness (7th versus 10th and beyond...so, not building the crown. Just the crown above the 3rd eye). Authentic love in being and expression is the difference there, IMO.

As soon as one is self aware there is a foundation of ego whether it's led via the heart or the intellect.. I AM LOVE is ego based if we keep inline with the thread . It also depends on what Ego means . It is rare that people see eye to eye on such things, so all one can do is show their method of workings / understandings .

The main point I was making is that the mind is not holding what you are captive in the ego expression .. but what you are can be easily swayed by our senses that are perceiving the mindful world / universe ..

Yah We are given individuate consciousness for a reason...we have choices to take and they matter. We have growing to do. we can choose to go in any given direction, and if we are wise enough and humble enough (both), then we can continually adjust and re-route our course along the way. To approach our centre more truly.

Like this...

Originally Posted by Prayer for Peace, excerpt

May we see the day when war and bloodshed cease,
when a great peace will embrace the whole world.

Then nation will not threaten nation,
and mankind will not again know war.

For all who live on earth shall realise
we have not come into being to hate or to destroy.

We have come into being
to praise, to labour and to love.
(etc.)

Back to you...

It's like one can be consumed by materialism and one can be self absorbed so much so that one cannot see the needs of others ..

All is experienced in or of the mind but the mind is not an entity that has an agenda or is it something that can be blamed for how you perceive what's of it .

x daz x

That is true and well said. It is what is...or, it is what it is. Something along those lines. Forest for the trees. This illusion of separation only exists so that we can realise it exists via growth and challenge and experience -- and in so doing, therefore realise what truly is and who we truly are. Different aspects of source, connected in various ways.

Peace & blessings
7L