[sky]

Originally Posted by Jyotir

Hi sky123,

Unfortunately, that statement is patently untrue, both in principle and in demonstrated historical fact the world over in every tradition.

That is precisely what the guru does.

both in the symbolic pointing AND real facilitating (often occultly)

And, it is true because....

" Atta dipa " is precisely what the (real) guru [B7]IS[/b]...in actuality -

- not simply as you suggest: disposable, incidental, ineffective, irrelevant, or detrimental (according to your asserted premise).

What "might help you understand ".... is a contemplation of what actually constitutes that "light within".

It's not a bulb in a clay jar in the cellar.

~ J

Untrue for you, but not for me. Not everyone needs a teacher.