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Originally Posted by Tobi
I base my reply on what I have experienced with a Soul, though know it is never "one size fits all".
The body shuts down and heart stops etc. The energetic part of the Being leaves that body. The energetic part is the 'person'. The body is literally only a shell. The person/Soul is a fully conscious living Being with thought, emotion, consciousness, memory, everything.
Some go straight out to the situation in the next dimension with which they most harmonise energetically in their deepest desires and characteristics.
But some do not go that quickly. They have their reasons. Sometimes it's a bond of love and loyalty for someone still living here. (Some may have other reasons to linger in the denser environment.)
Whatever that Being chooses to do it is their own choice. Most of that choice comes from the main driving-force within that Being, and not just superficial thoughts. But no-one makes any other do anything. All have choice.
They have choice as far as what they wish to do, and for 'how long -in Earth timing' they wish to do it.
Again there is nothing and no-one forcing them against their will.
Time comes when those ones begin to be drawn to some more whole part of their consciousness, and so start to refine, and in so doing, re-gravitate to another situation in the next dimension. They are 'pulled' by the natural magnetic force of their own energy into the state/place which most harmonises with them and the major important things in their Heart-felt Self.
Those for whom the physical illness which caused their passing means very little, will not carry it with them. If they haven't identified themselves with that illness it will not be there when they leave the body.
A sort of 'distillation' takes place in which the strongest or most pronounced elements of that Soul will be refined.
What happens outside of all that or beyond all that I could speculate on but won't, as I prefer to limit my answer only to what I know up to this point, as you have asked.
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It seems I have stumbled onto a really useful forum, there are many ideas here which deeply interest me. Much of your answer went right over my head, I am what you would call intellectually challenged, I have only had the ability to think clearly for the past six months. I am deeply in your debt, I do not understand your terminology, I do not understand your references, talk of souls passing to a new dimension is new to me, but I am interested, my intuition screams at me, this is important.
I am what you would call a mystic, I have experienced three powerful mental upheavals, that have changed my perception of who I am, I am simple and like an innocent child. The first mental upheaval was when the masculine Christian creation deity was revealed in my imagination, the spiritual illumination was the product of a powerful intuition, the day of judgement happened for me in that instant, I became divine spirit in a permanent state of religious spiritual ecstasy, this happened within my unconscious mind, within the unconscious mental image of the father. In an instant I was in space, in eternity and face to face with the Christian Godhead, technically I was born again as a Saint in Heaven. But I had inner demons, though my Spirit was perfect and divine my soul was not, I had a black demonic soul, no redeeming features, but over the past 20 years, inspired by a God revealed in my heart and imagination I freed myself from these terrible destructive demons, acute neuroses, 6 months ago I confessed a great sin and freed myself from a more normal neurosis and attained a valid enlightenment. I can think clearly, am rational and have achieved the object of a full Jungian psychological analysis. I say this just to give you a background of myself, I am inspired by what Christian theologians call God the Father, I am divine spirit, with God in Heaven, but I am also very rational, though I am immortal I am simple, I have nothing in my intellect, because of the way my psyche and soul have unfolded I have the intellect of an infant but I do now have quite complete access to the rational left hemisphere of my psyche. So I am in heaven with God and you would think that would be enough, but I am the hero inspired by love, and legend says that the hero, after descending into the underworld to rescue the maiden and defeating the demon, incurs a deep psychological wound, this legend applies to me, I do have a deep wound in my soul, but I am actively healing it. What concerns me is my Soul not my Spirit, what will happen to my soul after I let go of my shell, I have done wicked things for most of my life, I still run an internet business like a ruthless businessman, but I have no choice but to create beauty, I must create for God is my Father, so I am far from perfect and though I have been redeeming myself for many years I still wonder about my karma, I'me not kidding I have done wicked things, I have lied, cheated stolen, I have never killed a man or raped a woman but I have done just about everything else, now God says to me, don't worry, I have given you immortal life, not literally, he doesn't say much, he just creates the universe, but that's the feeling I get. But what happens to my Soul, to my feminine aspect, legend says the hero bears a psychological wound that can never be fully healed, this means I cannot perfect my Soul, this is the cross I have to bear, but what will happen to my less than perfect Soul when I die, I am immortal, I will not die, therefore I will continue, my spiritual soul will continue after death, but after that my intellect fails me, my intuition tells me that reincarnation is the key, I guess I am some kind of Angel, but it is the bad karma attached to my actions that concerns me, that God will have mercy on me I have no doubt, I have faithfully served him in Heaven for 30 years, but will I have the option of returning in some way, I would return for the sake of my only beloved daughter Eden, I ask the question what will happen to my spiritual soul.
I would be deeply interested to hear about your spiritual experiences, and how you come to use the framework that you describe, is yours a new age theory?
Thank you.
Richard.