hiya jumping in on this thread. im a massage therapist myself and love doing my many massages. i used to have a fellow friend who did me and me her but she died 2 years ago and i jjust cant find anyone who does it just right. mostyl they are the wishy washy tickle sort which i dont personally want. i want PAIN and elbows and hurties and go home feeling as if ive been dragged through a hedge backwards,but feel sooo much better and relaxed.these sort are hard to find. maybe one day i will find a fellow therapist near me who will do swappies.