[BlueSky]

Thanks for all the replies. I certainly have entertained things such as Buddha mind, realizations, the witness and energy flowing but what I have come away with is that unless you are thinking actively about these different perspectives, they have no value. In other words they are different ways of looking at yourself. They are ways to perceive the world other than the most accepted way, which is as a me and a you.
So to me they are mind games and when dropped, you are once again left simply not knowing.
I'm OK with that, I'm just curious why you all feel otherwise.
Personally I think what has sustained Buddhism or what it has become all these years is that this thing we can't know but think we can appeals to a need to be special or different from the norm. That's just my opinion based on my experiences and observations of human nature including my own.
It's something to grasp onto, even if it's a perspective of no you or you as the witness or you as beyond the witness or as your realizations