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Originally Posted by Kontufuto
IMHO I strongly disagree with you 7luminaries. What you say makes absolutely no sense. To diss a profession who spends their life on facts and analysis and then to shovel it off is extremely careless and naive. To say that scientists won't ever figure it out is rather an extreme supposition on your part wouldn't you say? "Ever" is infinity. Though 50% is not 0% I trust their analysis over yours. I think you should apologize to the scientific community for your statement.
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Hahahaha....LOL...first of all...let's all relax please...
This is not a scientific forum...it is a subforum of Spiritual Forums.
There's nothing wrong with science...the scientific method outlines a process for establishing basic benchmarks for our material world and those are important, even given all constraints and caveats and unavoidable biases.
But its scope is limited to the measurable material universe, broadly speaking, including indirect measurement (in some extremely limited way) the very small bits and all other non-measurable bits which are either observed or as yet are just theorised to have impact on the measurable universe in some way.
The enormous "remainder" of infinity and nonmateriality unlimited by time or space is largely outside the scope of measurable science, by definition.
That is neither right or wrong, good or bad. It simply means that all that is cannot be known or truly apprehended simply by that which can (even theoretically someday) be measured within our material universe. That's known as material reductionism, and the point is that material science based in a material reality (even the very small bits and particles) cannot apprehend that which lies beyond its scope.
Even that which is commonly known in the material sense cannot be fully apprehended or known from the material measurements at hand. For example, your brain in its mass and composition and function, etc. As opposed to its individuality and its unique spectrum of thought and memory and intention and emotion. Which is like no other. None of which can be found or located in any one dissected or measured or scanned piece of it. It's not simply because consciousness is non-local. It's also because sentience exists at every level and also because your individuated "collective" consciousness (what we think of as the self) both exists and interacts with sentience at every level of your physical being.
Measurement (of any kind) captures only the most superficial aspects of the actual quality and experience of your life, your being, and all that attend your existence.
The same goes for dark matter and dark energy. Mystics have experienced a great many things relating to what we divide up as dark matter and dark energy. But none of it is any more relevant to what these are than a CAT scan is to who you are and the individual quality and experience of you in this moment, or of what you are thinking and feeling.
Science is great...and greater precision and clarity in concept and expression are good things all round, and not only within scientific contexts.
But science is extremely limited and any honest discussion must recognise that -- at least in its present form. To the degree its scope is ultimately is defined by the measurable, physical universe -- well, then it may always be so. That remains to be seen, of course.
There's serious talk all round. But that's not "measured" simply by the degree to which we engage with the current paradigms.
As Einstein famously said (about problem solving)...well, you know what you he said
Peace & blessings,
7L