I think we have found a stone for my lady's ring. It's a huge orange copper bearing tourmaline over 7 carats and VVS near flawless clarity. My lady never ceases to surprise me. I think most ladies would want a true red or pink, but instead of thinking it's an off color, she literarily was like " OMG it's orange ! " I must admit, orange is not a typical color and is fairly interesting.