[neil]

Originally Posted by MattMVS7

I think it is quite obvious that there should be no concept of original sin where sinners are condemned to hell to suffer for eternity. I am going to explain why. It is no different than how it is quite obvious that what Hitler did to the Jews was wrong and sadistic. If you just use your gut moral instinct, then it will become quite obvious to you that what Hitler did was wrong and sadistic. However, if you were indoctrinated with some sort of teaching that taught you that what Hitler did was right and you believed this, then you would have been led away from your very morality as a human being towards a false and cruel teaching.

This false and cruel teaching would have changed your sense of morality over towards a cruel and unrighteous moral standard that you have been fooled into thinking was a righteous moral standard. When it comes to fundamentalist Christianity and other religions that teach a God who condemns even kind and respectful family members to hell for being sinners, then this is the same scenario. Anybody who believes that an all loving and all just God would do that would have been led astray from their sense of righteous morality towards a new moral standard that is unrighteous, cruel, and is a moral standard that they have been fooled into thinking is an all loving, all just, and righteous moral standard.

Just from using my own gut moral instinct, I can obviously see how such a God would be a cruel and sadistic God just as how I can use my gut moral instinct in seeing how Hitler was cruel and sadistic as well. There are many kind people out in this world who would also agree with me as well. This says a lot here. This clearly says here that religions such as fundamentalist Christianity twist our sense of morality to where we believe that the cruel and unrighteous acts of a morally atrocious God are instead righteous and holy acts of an all loving and all just God. Sinners, including kind people, are condemned on judgment day by this type of God, they go to hell to suffer for eternity, and God never chooses to get them out and put them someplace else.

This, to me, is obviously a worse treatment than even Hitler. If only people would just use their gut moral instinct, focus on that, and forget all of the false and cruel teachings they were taught, then they will obviously see how the moral standard set forth by these types of religious Gods and figures is a cruel, unjust, and morally atrocious moral standard regardless of how many loving and just acts these types of Gods have performed. These Gods performing loving and just acts does not justify their cruel and morally atrocious acts no matter how you try to justify it. The reason why I am not a fundamentalist Christian is because of the very fact that I have used my gut moral instinct. However, other people sacrifice their gut moral instinct and believe in false teachings.

Persons who think as you do, about all of the above do not yet understand what hell & eternal suffering is, & why it has come into existence, & who brings it into existence for each individual who is in a hellish location & or hellish condition of 'self being'.

If you haven't witnessed with your own eyes, a being who is in such a hellish condition of 'soul being' & what kind of effect, that it's continuing hellish 'soul condition' is having on that being, then you may never understand hell & eternal suffering.

Eternal suffering is only present for each individual, who is enduring it, while the being who is enduring it, is continualy causing it to happen.

The horrific appearance of the spiritual body& state of mind, of a person who is in a hellish condition can ease & that being can start to heal, if it will stop causing it to happen through the unloving thoughts & actions of that being.

The being in question does not have to suffer eternally & will only continue to suffer eternally if it will not stop perpetrating unloving thoughts & actions against others.

Unloving thoughts & actions against others, activates the spiritual law of "reap as you sow'' and this law is in place & is activated by any being who does perpetrate an unloving act upon another being.

The law has been put in place by creator, but is not activated by creator, because creator does not judge anyone nor does creator impinge on any sentient beings 'free will'...even if that sentient being is using it's free will to harm other sentient or non sentient beings....
....creator is not the judge & jury & does not condemn sentient beings to a hellish location or condition. ....
....we judge ourselves & our condition becomes more & more hellish, with every unloving thought & action upon other sentient & or non sentient beings, via the everlasting 'law of reap as you sow'.

& if there was not such a law in place, in the universe, then sentent beings could keep on treating others with such unimaginable cruelty for eternity, & that would be an unloving universe, created by a sadistic unloving god/creator.
But the universe is a self correcting universe of love, & designed & set up by a "loving god/creator" who does not judge & or condemn us, & does not condone in our any sentient or non sentient beings suffering.