[awareness]

Originally Posted by eputkonen

The fictitious "me" is the fictitious "snake" that causes suffering. Auto-suggestion or faking it won't succeed.

Seeing...seeing clearly...is the key. What is unseen & unknown (i.e. ignorance) is what keeps one feeling trapped (bond).

Enlightenment/awakening is called liberation. We think we are making progress in the process of freeing ourselves from bondage…but awakening (i.e. liberation) is realizing you were never in bondage in the first place. Upon awakening, you clearly realize that all of that time you spent in the process of freeing yourself from bondage was the delusion of bondage itself.

How to free oneself? By clearly seeing the bonds are illusion (self created mental fictions). All you can do is see...anything else reinforces the illusion of bondage.

You speak as if to say you have reached an end point called "liberation" or "realization."

Fact: You/we are still awakening, of course. This is the greater realization beyond feeling, "I have reached liberation." Even Jesus was not finished with his further refinement of integrating his spiritual awakening, for in a linear and multidimensional sense, the process is ongoing, even beyond the Earth plane reality.

There is no end point of "liberation" that a human being reaches. In fact, most non-duality proponents (most or many of whom believe in reincarnation) do not even realize that the journey of self-realization doesn't end with the soul's mastery of the 3D human experience. Even those who no longer "need" to reincarnate, having learned their human lessons, are still going to evolve further in other planes/dimensions of the multiverse.

Most non-duality proponents shy away from understanding the metaphysics of the multiverse, which of course is illusory, yet is still a necessary component of self-realization. In fact, there is no high-level, integrated awakening (such as what Sathya Sai Baba has realized and is still realizing) unless one learns to accept that liberation evolves beyond the "self-realization" level that can occur while one is physically incarnated.

Eputkonen, brother, although you avoid actually saying to people here, "I have reached liberation," you speak as if to imply that you have reached it. Well, the truth of the matter is that you are still realizing it, and (as far as the illusion of space/time is concerned) you will continue to realize it with further soul refinement even after your soul chooses not to incarnate as a human.

Most "liberation" proponents do ignore the phenomenal fact that they are multidimensional beings, and thus liberation is not just about the human journey, it includes other dimensions and other species which are also part of oneself.

If you or anyone here denies reincarnation as part of the awakening journey, this would be like saying, "The human being doesn't experience time." It would be foolish. For obviously, if one looks closely at it, the concept of reincarnation is essentially an extension of what all people already believe, which is that there is an experience/appearance of sequential/linear time. We all know within ourselves that energy can and does take on many forms, and that evolution is a biological fact.

The realization of inner joy actually (in a phenomenal sense) collapses many space-time intervals. . .it shortens the realization journey. Not surprising to me at all, when I opened the very first thread in this website's new Non Duality forum here, called "Joyous Awareness," it generally wasn't very well received as a valid non-duality topic, when in fact cultivating joyous awareness is 100% required and valid in the realization of one's True Nature.

You are intuitively well aware of this, I know, being quite joy-oriented yourself.

A message for all: There can be no "clear seeing" without joy. Not possible. Love/joy is the very basis of liberation.

Namaste, all.