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Old 09-04-2024, 02:24 AM
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To a summary and a conclusion …
Relatively recently I learned about the NDE-videos, and was positively surprised how many of them relate to the shamanic way of experiencing multidimensionality.
Even more recently I learned that I am related (although more distantly) to most of the old Saami families from Kautokeino, Norway.
Looked into their 'now' a bit deeper and I guess I hadn’t accounted for all the influences they have had over there, much more so than in the East.
Old Norse (Indo-European) paganism & all that Viking ‘stuff’, Catholic Christianization, Lutheranism and its witch hunts, the Swedish eugenics plan studies, its forced sterilizations etc. the government assimilation plans, children being taken away to boarding schools etc. etc. the list goes on.

Even though many a Saami there has twice as much “Siberian” as I do, it is mostly from ancient connections, this old stuff, which no longer registers in people’s minds & how could it:
https://phys.org/news/2018-11-ancien...identical.html

But the latest influence - the American New Age Harner neo-shamanism!
Seeing yet a few more Harner videos, I now trust he really did have the best intentions, was altruist in his aim to revive ‘shamanism’ (as he understood it), but ‘drumming journeying’ is no NDE, nor is it being called by Spirit “shamanic death experience” - it relates, but cannot really be compared.

I suppose I have no right to feel disappointed, even betrayed, but I do a bit.

Might have some good links:
https://www.nativeamericanembassy.ne..._a_shaman.html

Then again – everything is as it should be.
No point in trying to enter or fit into the ‘shamanic/tengrist twilight-zone’ if it no longer exists in the subconscious or collective subconscious. – If there are no ‘living’ ancestral connections to Siberia anymore because as such it would be more fake than Harner’s “Core Shamanism”. At least "journeying" will teach one something about the workings of one’s subconscious. Although shamanic reality orientation is not the same as Western reality orientation – the “core’ is different.

If I remember correctly Ailu had been in contact with Mongolian Shamaness Sarangerel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myVH...orgottenmusic1

R.I.P.
As an ‘influencer’, Ailu did good!
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