The Choice To Re-incarnate?
 

Ok we seen earth and its experiences..lol.. When you cross over and if you believe that you have a choice whether to come back to earth again.. I was wondering where this thought oringinated? Like one lifetime is enough for me.. I can be made to re-incarnate but to select it on my own free will by myself..lol.. No.. No... I can just watch and learn from Heaven any lessons I need to learn..lol

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This is an interesting thread idea, I think.
Although I normally don't like going on about things I have no conscious experience of, I have heard it said that re-incarnation is a voluntary act, and only takes place when the Soul strongly needs or desires to re-incarnate. Otherwise, I believe (hate that phase! LOL!)...that the Soul can remain in the Inner or Heaven Worlds as long as it wants to.

We all have free will and in general I believe no one is forced to incarnate but that its our decision. In my dark moments I often wonder why did I ever reincarnate on a planet where life is so difficult but we all have our reasons. I believe the older souls choose to come because they want to help out with the process of building a new earth and the younger ones come because earth presents a great opportunity for development. But I'm sure there are other reasons that are more specific to the indiviudal soul

Matt

:smile: They say we choose to reincarnate again that doesnt sit well with me because under no circumstances would i be here if i had a choice,and no way would i have choosen to be born into the family i was born into either,i know this is my final lifetime and for that im glad,i have lived many lifetimes before and i didnt want to be born into this one, so the idea of voulentry reincarnation doesnt fit for me.i know we are all here to learn and believe me i have lived a hard life not very happy one either,until i met my husband then he passed away at a young age,i have come very close to death twice three times i have had near death experiences etc,i have had over 30 surgeries, would you want to be born to go through that?

Namaste

I agree. Very well said MindOverMatter.
I have often asked my "God" or higher source whatever one wants to call it. Why did I choose to come here "again" and of course I already know the answer. It is so for my soul's growth. Here I am bomborded with extremely negative people and dark entities in my life (my mother especially) health, financial, divorce, family problems. I suffer from so many phobias, anxieties and depression (which had carried over from other past lifetimes) that I know for a fact that I am a very old soul who's been around the block so many times and that I'm tired of being in this planet. I believe this is my last life. If it's not my last life, then I choose not to reincarnate again. Enough is enough for me LOL I think that when my time is up and I see the tunnel, I would be impatient and tell people who are also crossing over, "Would you please hurry up? I need to go Home!" LOL

I agree.. I dont think we pick it.. we are a little selfish too..lol.. so we wouldnt pick it for ourself. Im jealous this is your last lifetime.. I know its not mine and boy am I not happy about that..lol.. This seems to be one of my toughest lifetimes from reviewing a few others.. I .. for myself just try to get every lesson.. sometimes I win and sometimes I fail but, I know a failed trial is one you will see again..


Kudos for you Native Spirit you will be free..lol.

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In my opinion we have lessons to learn and once we stand before God he determines if we need more learning which most times we do.. we have big egos. Some are at a level in which they can remain in the Higher realms but, they have earned and learned/mastered and their will is disciplined -- the ego is mature and disciplined.

It takes us time to evolve.. Our will is so strong...

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I understand the reason for people wanting this life to be their last but I think many souls who feel that way now might feel different when they are in spirit form. Also, 100 years from now I think this planet will be much different than it is today and some souls might want to come back to check out how much things have changed for the better and in a way 'enjoy the fruits of their labour'.

Being reincarnated.
 

I believe that the process of reincarnation is out of our control.....we will be reincarnated....whatever problems we have not solved in this life we will be faced with again....and whatever gifts we have been given will appear again and it is then up to us to develope them further.

" Whoever believes in me will find eternal life"....not "will be rewarded"...but "will find"...as if reincarnation is the meaning of "eternal life"...as I believe we all have.....Isn't it fun?

blessings......mike :hug3:

Choice on a human level and spiritual level are difficult to unite.

I don't think all people choose to be reincarnated. Some are stronger minded than others and some are swept with the times or the obsession with physicality.

I remember talking to a gifted clairvoyant in my family who said that my grandfather on The Other Side carried over the soul of my cousin into this realm to incarnate. I am guessing the soul goes through a certain process when incarnating that includes some sort of "sleep" or unconsciousness when entering the womb. I think the soul chooses to reincarnate but I don't think the soul can choose it's karmic outcomes. What I am saying is that we don't all get to choose our mothers, fathers, circumstances, situations, etc. Sometimes we are bound to others for growth and learning and some people DO choose their parents. It depends on how developed the soul of the person is.

Someone like Jesus for example chose his mother Mary, his harbringer John the Baptist, and his apostles and sent them into the world before he incarnated. But this is a Master Soul who can do all things like God.

Reincarnation is not an aspect of spirit I have been able to witness and see the process so I cant say for sure we select it or not but, in our thinking it still has to make sense as to why would we pick it for ourselves? I just tend to disagree that we would pick it ourselves.

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I am sorry. It has been so very harsh and difficult for you. All I can give you is a virtual hug. I have had some very bad things too, but your burden has been hard.:hug:

In this life, I've found that whatever drama happened in romantic relationships..
As time passed.. all my heart remembered was the love ... and the rest fades in memory, if I allow it.

No doubt memories of earth life are like that.
Once we leave for the afterlife, we tend to forget the pain-challenges, for the most part.
And recall earth life as a dream, from that perspective....our true nature

Everyone says their loved ones look younger-healthy ... when in the afterlife, so perhaps I'm not far off.

Yes there is a hell of sorts, a dreary, depressing, gloomy plane that some souls choose by their acts ... at least that's what Jurgen witnessed... and souls there experience the pain they've caused others, as well as themselves. Only after they've totally accepted ,understood what they've created ,can they advance.. (this is HIS reportage and I've no opinion)
Of course one can & does change while still here... Dannon Brinkly had 3 NDE's and 3 life reviews, and each apparently improved.

Why On Earth Would Anyone Want To Come Back To This God Forsaken Messed Up Planet! I don't believe I have ever been here before nor would I allow myself to be. I absolutely abhor the idea of reincarnation. Since the birth of mankind, we have done nothing but rape this planet and hurt every living 'Being'. For all of you folk who believe in reincarnation/incarnation/incarnation/incarnation...WHY The HECK are we still messed up and why the heck is our 'Home Planet Earth in Trouble'!!!???

reincarnation is not an independant thing, it is linked to karma. I don`t believe we pick our life, rather we are drawn back by the karma still to be worked off (good and bad). The true skill to learn in life is how to break the circle of karma and re incarnation, then and only then are we freed from re birth

Everyone has amazing points. Interesting thoughts really.
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That's and interesting reflection. I don't believe in choice as an ultimate rule. It's more like a trail through experience... a life path that's followed... but choices are included too. It's not theres a particular rule one way or the other. Destiny deals a hand which has to be accepted, and then ya gotta play your cards right.

There are good reasons. People want to live. They don't want to die. The mess on earth doesn't change the will to survive. And people want to be themselves, they don't want to be another person. That's the truth about self love.

The soul never dies. In the realms your fed knowledge. I still will have to say we are made to reincarnate.
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I have another story where Jesus did not choose (maybe chose some) and that those like Mother Mary chose by themselves to take such a life. There will always be the argument what came first the hen or the egg. But IMO Jesus is no better than any of us, in my eyes we are all equal, he might just have been around the block longer than most. But talking about master souls, then there is many on these forums that is on his level or even higher, yet none of them possess any abilities no one else can develop. There might be many reasons to incarnate and we all have different stories. Some might to some degree choose for themselves, others might be forced, while some probably got tricked or a mix of things mentioned or not. But in the end it will always be our own choice, though it might be that some on a soul level is yet to realize this. Possibilities there are many of and just maybe dawn will fall upon Earth one day and forward a brighter day will emerge; for such a sight even the toughest of incarnations would be worth it if you ask me :hug2:

I believe in 'Life After Death'. We are after all 'Electro Magnetic Energy' and that energy never dies,...but...I will never allow myself to come back to a planet where 'reincarnation' has failed badly. What have the results of 'Reincarnation' achieved in the saving of this Beautiful World We Call Earth. Why are all the physical inhabitants still suffering??? What have the reincarnated souls managed to achieve during there repeated incarnations? For every beautiful human being born to this planet, there are a thousand others who want to hurt it and its inhabitants. Our planet is a breeding ground of corruption. No human incarnation has been able to fix this problem. I thought we were meant to mature during each of our 'incarnations' (We humans were lucky enough to be given a way out, and that happened 2000 years ago. This Deity is known by different names). Reincarnation on 'Earth' has so far, not achieved it's purpose because this planet is filled with such 'Evil, Corrupted, Negative, Energies' from the spirit realm and these energies are thriving. Why haven't those people who have chosen 'Reincarnation been able to fix the problem so far. Earth Herself Is So Beautiful. Her Human Children Have Left Her Scarred and Deformed. We are her cancer and all of you humans who chose reincarnation have not done enough to fight off her 'Spiritual Demons and Her Human Corrupters'

I have told many stories and could tell so many more, but humans as a whole were not given a way out 2000 of years ago. I know there are stories that tell so but that is not the same as they are true (nor that they are false). The problems of Earth started long before humanity were given birth, the problem might be the humans, but it is not fair to completely give them the whole bill. We are some that come back life after life trying to save this planet and some day in the future we might succeed. But many keep talking about a person who is said to not have reincarnated in 2000 years (if that is true I do not know) and beings who have never lived on Earth, why are they not down here helping if they care so much, that I wonder?

I equate reincarnation with getting a tattoo. I have four. Always forget how painful it can be after a couple of years and I get another one. When the needle hits the skin I go why did i do this to myself again?? When the art work is done and healed however I am greatful I went through with it. It is the forgetting of the pain, aka going back to heaven and being filled with absolute love, that makes people want to come back to life with such gusto. They don't remember the pain and are filled with such love and vigor that everything seems possible. Until we get down here again and we are like oooo yeah, I remember now, damn it!

I rarely will ask questions of Spirit but, this was one that I asked this morning.. The question I asked was do we choose for ourselves to reincarnate and the answer was "no"..
Then I was shown death which I equated to our sins while living on earth.. Our sins going round and round and then understanding it all goes back to karma - and paying debt.. reeping what we sow.. If we do it to someone then we must experience it too.. Now this was interesting because I understand that we dont get away for things that we do but, again its was just interesting..

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toolite, yes it is a choice.....they say that once on the otherside and through the life reveiw, the "horrors" of this life fade away and we only "see" where we have failed in this life and then, eventually, decide to come back and try again.....but it is still a choice to remain there even tho we know it takes a lot longer for the learning and growth process because of the absence of negativity.........

Once im revealed something I wont sway.. Now any individual is free to believe what they like..
But, today its not a choice and I didn't think it was anyway..
I thank you for trying to convince me other wise.. but, when Spirit/God/Angels reveal something then there is no other answer.. for me anyways..

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This seems sooo insightful and hilariously plausible.:occasion14:

I just think that those Humans who have chosen to reincarnate on our 'Home World Earth' since the dawn of 'Mankind' have failed badly. Our planet has not improved. It is getting worse. The problems on earth started with mankind. You can blame the fallen angels or whomever you choose...BUT...Mankind had the final decision. No repeated incarnations have made this world a better place. It has gotten worse. Rain Forests don't have a choice. Animals don't have a choice. Sea Creatures don't have a choice. Humans have wounded this planet and for all of the incarnated/reincarnated over and over again humans...hmmm...you do the maths. (Don't blame Supernaturals or Anything that existed before mankind. Humans were given dominion over Earth.

I do not say that the humans do not have their play in things, I just say it might not be as simple as it might seem to deal out the blame. Also; the Earth could have been in a far worse shape than it is in today. Failed in restoring what once were; maybe, failed in not helping at all; I do not think so. Though the Earth is in the worst shape I have ever witnessed, I also for the first time in a long time see hope. Yet nothing is decided and the future can take many forms. And it is not even sure that humans take place n t at all. Only the future can truly reveal that I think :wink: Also; humans were given dominion over Earth by beings that did not have the authority to do so and have and will be fought until they realize so (as far as my knowledge tells me). The humans all so need to realize this.


Yes, sure. But maybe what spirit tells you is only what it knows from where it exist or what applies to your path only. For others this might be very different. I clearly remember me choosing things for myself. Though I do suspect an imbalance within the spirit world (or at least parts of it) and young souls (or what you want to call them) have little or no saying in things and really at this age do not get the time needed before being sent back.

A soul no matter who and level. If you are fully evolved you wouldnt be in flesh at all. But because of neg decisions our soul makes were made to live again until the soul is complete. Thats not easy. We are very selfish beings. To pay our debt too.

We reap what we sow. Getting back what we gave the good and bad. This is my understanding.
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Lets look at the Arch Angels who are spiritually mature in all areas. They arent reincarnating. They dwell in the most high and can leave when and however form they want. Learning to silence the ego is childs play to the heavens but many of us are childre

Compared to our elders who always dwelled in heaven. We go to heaven but dont get to stay because we are not mature enough.
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Toolite how do you know that the ArchAngels are not incarnated. I was told a story by a friend that told me she had had an incarnated life as an ArchAngel but stopped it because that life of hers hurted those she loved (think it was something like that). I have other mortal lives than the one I have here as human with a body that can decay and/or be killed (though in some realms it seem (for some of them) like it is very much eternal because the environment does not wear it down). Though the body is nothing like the body I have as a human, I usually describe it as a light body because it is not so dense and can easilier change frequence and bend the light of it to alter form. Some of those other incarnations can easier walk between realms and dimensions than other, though some time in the future of me I will try to create an incarnation for myself where I create a body that freely can walk where ever it wants.

If an Arch Angel has then in my opinion really doest know when life began. In my opinion a person would not be an AA that reincarnated. IMO. For a person who is at a master level you most be producing in all areas .
I believe anyone in flesh today is

Still learning and still growing.
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Please explain how you come to the conclusion that u can select your reincarnation now?
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