on conception
 

Over my years 'in the spooks' I've researched and contemplated many 'side issues' that have resulted from my involvement and experiences. One of them is when and how conception takes place at a 'spiritual level'. Please consider the following and see what you think. :smile:

Sexual intercourse may result in a baby being born. We're hard-wired to ensure the survival of the human race. That's likely to be a subject for debate in itself but isn't the thrust of this thread. No, what I want to look at is the spiritual aspect of the two components that link to begin the process of procreation. The sperm and the egg.

Scientists and biologists know much about those two, tiny living things but here's something I often wonder about. Where does the 'life energy' of the sperm come from?

The egg is part of a female's body, presumably alive for the same reason the woman is alive. Sperms are alive presumably for the same reason a man is alive. Using the phrase I often use, one could say both egg and sperms are alive due to the 'energy' of the spirit animating a woman and the spirit animating a man. But what keeps sperms alive for the period after they have left the man's body, enter the woman's body and before an egg gets fertilised? When a spirit/soul leaves a body that body ceases to function - it dies. Yet sperms leave a man's body and they survive for a time inside another one.

What keeps those sperms alive?

google: How Long Can Sperm Survive After Ejaculation?

The key question was "What keeps those sperms alive?" Not how long can they survive outside the man's body.

Plainly there's an extra and interesting dimension if we also consider cryogenic cooling and storage but my question remains - What keeps those sperm/sperms alive?

Whose energy is involved?

Sperm has its own supply of 'fuel'. Put sperm in a petri dish, provide the right environment, and they will live for some time.

That's accurate reporting of what can be observed but doesn't address what makes 'em alive in the first place and keeps 'em that way for a time. On a different time scale you could say something similar about us.

Put someone in an isolated situation (cf the Petri dish) with enough water for survival and the 'onboard' fuel a body carries would keep that individual alive until its fuel ran out. Then the body system would fail and for the individual what we call death would result.

We say we're alive and what I say is we're animated by our soul/spirit - that's what makes us living beings rather than an inanimate collection of complex bits and pieces. Is a single sperm alive until its existence ends when its energy runs out? Or is it inanimate like a firecracker or a candle?

If a sperm is alive - albeit in a simpler way than we are what/who is animating this simple organism?

If it's not alive it is simply a collection of bits and pieces that wriggle around mechanically but give the appearance of something that's alive. Is that the nature of sperm?

You have probably read this info below in your search...BUT IF NOT HAVE A READ and then read beyond.

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How Is Sperm Produced?
There is a system of tiny tubes in the testicles. These tubes, called the seminiferous tubules, house the germ cells that hormones — including testosterone, the male sex hormone — cause to turn into sperm. The germ cells divide and change until they resemble tadpoles with a head and short tail.

The tails push the sperm into a tube behind the testes called the epididymis. For about five weeks, the sperm travel through the epididymis, completing their development. Once out of the epididymis, the sperm move to the vas deferens.

When a man is stimulated for sexual activity, the sperm are mixed with seminal fluid — a whitish liquid produced by the seminal vesicles and the prostate gland — to form semen. As a result of the stimulation, the semen, which contains up to 500 million sperm, is pushed out of the penis (ejaculated) through the urethra.
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SO IN THE PROCESS ABOVE, AND BEFORE SPERM ACTUALLY WIND UP BEING SPERM, THEY ARE CELLS IN & OF THE BODY, & CELLS THAT ARE SIMPLY CELLS, IN AND OF THE BODY ARE VIABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO OXYGEN VIA THE BLOOD.

IN SHORT THE CELLS UTILIZE OXYGEN TO REMAIN VIABLE AND FOR THE PROCESS OF THE CELLS BEING TRANSFORMED/FORMED INTO SPERM.

HOWEVER ONCE THE SPERM HAS BEEN FORMED INTO SPERM & SETS OUT ON ITS TRIP FROM THE LOCATION OF IT'S FORMATION. THE SPERM ARE NORISHED AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS DURING THEIR TRAVELS AND DURING SHORT STAYS IN STORAGE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WITHIN THE MALE.

AND IN THE LAST LOCATION OF STORAGE BEFORE BEING EMITTED FROM THE MALE THEY ARE FLOODED IN SEMEN WHICH FURTHER AIDS THE SPERM IN STAYING VIABLE AS IT TRAVELS THROUGH THE FEMALE. AND WHEN & IF AT ALL SPERM REACHES IT'S DESTINATION THE SPERM THAT HAVE NOT PENETRATED THE DESTINATION ARE ELIMINATED BY A PROCESS WITHIN & OF THE FEMALE BODY.

SO, SPERM ARE NORISHED AFTER FORMATION AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHEN IN STOP OVER/STORAGE WITHIN THE MALE BODY BEFORE BEING EMITTED. WHEREBY THEY ARE ON THEIR OWN, UNTILL THE FEMALE DESTROYS & GETS RID OF THE ONES THAT COULD NOT FULLY PERFORM OR COMPLETE THEIR FUNCTION.

THE ABOVE IS A BRIEF EXPLAINATION FROM A PERSON NOT LEARNED IN THE BIOLOGY OF THE BODY. AS I CAN FIGURE IT OUT & OF WHICH SOMEONE ELSE MAY ADD TO..🙂

Some of the life force/soul, in part is in the sperm?

Some say the magic happens in the bedroom, I'm not going to dispute that :biggrin:. There seems to be a spark of magic when sperm meets egg (I know there's a scientific explanation as well). Here's a short video for anyone not having seen it before:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98KX5tx_Lbk

From what I've learn't,the soul can incarnate any time after conception to just after birth.Some say it comes and goes throughout pregnancy to try out the new body but I don't know about that one.

And i have been led to believe that "we" are the Soul. & are in no way, the flesh.

& that we the Soul'self becomes a part of the flesh in the instant of conception, by being "only CONNECTED" to the flesh.
& that it is us the "Soul'self" that gives the flesh, an "appearance" only, that it is sentient.

The flesh can not survive without a connection to Soul. Just as flesh starts to decompose when the connection between Soul & flesh is severed.

So Soul is required to be connected to flesh from the instant of conception.

As the above is what i am led to believe, i thought that i ought to post it.

First thing I'll say is that THERE'S NO NEED TO SHOUT - BLOCK CAPITALS ARE CONSIDERED SHOUTING! Next response is that this explains the actions of the male reproductive system but that wasn't what I'd asked about.

You're in the wrong thread.....

wrong thread

Whoops! Sorry.:smile:

Niel,if that's what you believe then fine but I have my beliefs so can we just learn to respect each others.:smile:

Yes that is why I did note quote you. However I did write to anyone who maybe interested.

disrespect
 

Before it gets heated can I please make the point that just disagreeing with someone's view isn't disrespectful. :hug3:

I, too, often use the 'Quote' button but remove the author's name in order to make my response to the points a general one.

And as i suggested at the top of my reply to yourself, please read on after reading the quoted section.

And so i will post here, what I did previously suggest that you read.

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SO IN THE PROCESS ABOVE, AND BEFORE SPERM ACTUALLY WIND UP BEING SPERM, THEY ARE CELLS IN & OF THE BODY, & CELLS THAT ARE SIMPLY CELLS, IN AND OF THE BODY ARE VIABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO OXYGEN VIA THE BLOOD.

IN SHORT THE CELLS UTILIZE OXYGEN TO REMAIN VIABLE AND FOR THE PROCESS OF THE CELLS BEING TRANSFORMED/FORMED INTO SPERM.

HOWEVER ONCE THE SPERM HAS BEEN FORMED INTO SPERM & SETS OUT ON ITS TRIP FROM THE LOCATION OF IT'S FORMATION. THE SPERM ARE NORISHED AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS DURING THEIR TRAVELS AND DURING SHORT STAYS IN STORAGE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WITHIN THE MALE.

AND IN THE LAST LOCATION OF STORAGE BEFORE BEING EMITTED FROM THE MALE THEY ARE FLOODED IN SEMEN WHICH FURTHER AIDS THE SPERM IN STAYING VIABLE AS IT TRAVELS THROUGH THE FEMALE. AND WHEN & IF AT ALL SPERM REACHES IT'S DESTINATION THE SPERM THAT HAVE NOT PENETRATED THE DESTINATION ARE ELIMINATED BY A PROCESS WITHIN & OF THE FEMALE BODY.

SO, SPERM ARE NORISHED AFTER FORMATION AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHEN IN STOP OVER/STORAGE WITHIN THE MALE BODY BEFORE BEING EMITTED. WHEREBY THEY ARE ON THEIR OWN, UNTILL THE FEMALE DESTROYS & GETS RID OF THE ONES THAT COULD NOT FULLY PERFORM OR COMPLETE THEIR FUNCTION.

the above does point out how the sperm survives. and the above was easily found through a simple google search.

Fyi..I only used caps in order to seperate from the quoted contend.

There are acceptable ways of using BB Code to quote and make obvious the differences you're wanting to make. Netiquette is that we don't SHOUT at one another by using capital letters.....

To make it easier for this dumbcluck, would you point out in all those words where it relates to the points I had asked members to consider? :hug3:

Could be the fluid that has the life force.

Wonder what happens when the sperm is frozen.

Could be which life force?

The sperm cell racing towards the egg is similar to a soul wanting to incarnate and enter the world. Thus, in an analogy, the egg is the world and the soul is the sperm. They are conscious of what they need to do.

The gates of hell open at the top of a hill, the souls run up the stairs, fighting each other along to way to see who will be the one to escape and find hope in a new body of flesh. Only one will make it, while the countless multitude will have to wait for another chance, another time.

Am I in the wrong thread...

:D Thats a good way of looking at it.

yes! :biggrin:

The analogy is flawed. A soul/spirit doesn't race and it doesn't race towards the world. Its decision is considered, guided, supported but personal. Its resolve is strong but there's not - for most all - any need other than its own. Its journey is towards bringing about a single new incarnation.

For most souls/spirits this world would turn just fine without their involvement. And yes you're in the wrong thread!

As you all know,I,m a spiritualist.I don't think that there is any soul in either the egg or the sperm before fertilisation,but maybe the soul has chosen it's parents already and is hovering around till the point of fertilisation to incarnate.(Just a thought,I may be wrong.)

to repeat
 

Scientists and biologists know much about those two, tiny living things but here's something I often wonder about. Where does the 'life energy' of the sperm come from?

The egg is part of a female's body, presumably alive for the same reason the woman is alive. Sperms are alive presumably for the same reason a man is alive. Using the phrase I often use, one could say both egg and sperms are alive due to the 'energy' of the spirit animating a woman and the spirit animating a man. But what keeps sperms alive for the period after they have left the man's body, enter the woman's body and before an egg gets fertilised? When a spirit/soul leaves a body that body ceases to function - it dies. Yet sperms leave a man's body and they survive for a time inside another one.

What keeps those sperms alive?

I think I know what you were getting at.Good question,I can't really answer.

And I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Brit. Spiritualist too. (note the upper case 'S' http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=133452:wink: )

A soul/spirit isn't 'in' either an egg, a sperm or a body. In the situation of our bodies our spirits interpenetrate each and every 'tiny part' (the best way I can put it) that make it up, the whole body alive because a spirit is animating it.

Your suggestion that a spirit/soul might be "hovering around" waiting for fertlisation to occur could be correct but is another issue and doesn't address the point I asked - what 'energy', what/whose 'life force' is keeping the sperm alive after it's left the man's body?

Dunno,beat's me but I should imagine sperm has genes that are programmed for just that reason to fertilise the females egg(with its own genes once fertilization has taken place genes merge and hey presto,you have a new life forming.(Just a thought).

…..The soul.

The reality is likely to be that none of us knows either! :biggrin: But by knocking the subject about we may be able to creep up a little closer to an answer that looks a real possibility once all the least likely suggestions have been eliminated.

The other reality is that it doesn't much matter if we do know but extrapolating that argument it doesn't much matter if we know about many other spiritual aspects either. But humankind is an enquiring and curious beast and without that attribute it wouldn't be where it is right now, be that good, bad or indifferent! :D So we continue to try to fathom the many mysteries of life, of death and then what follows.

:D No,not yet.

I Agree,I've taxed my mind too much,I'm going to make a cup of tea take care bye.:wink:

So you think there's a soul in the liquid?

Oh I've just had my morning cuppa! :D And nowadays this 'stuff' what my mind thrives on....:biggrin: :wink: I've come to terms with most of the less-demanding stuff.

All the biology stuff is pretty much understood to some degree but what I'm asking is a question that on a larger scale we already have a modicum of spiritual guidance about - what makes us alive?

It's that similar question about sperm - what keeps 'em alive rather than just functioning chemically/biologically?

Until this thread I'd not thought about this question. So I'm just throwing out ideas atm :D

Wonder how long the sperm can last without any fluid around it.

Any ideas on the frozen sperm question anyone?

Consciousness keeps us alive,our soul.Once the sperm has done its job,all the thousands of others die.Could you say sperm has consciousness? I don't know.

The fluid is there to make the sperms job easier,something to
swim in and probably norish it on it's way,I don't think it'd survive otherwise.Like you I hadn't thought of this before.It certainly isn't human as frozen sperm can be thawed to fertilise an egg,but you try freezing a human then trying to bring him/her back to life.:biggrin:

Yes, so maybe the "magic" is in the fluid :smile:

That's a good point about the frozen human issue :D