To apply the labels ignorant or deluded to seekers would be to add yet further burdens, rather than be clear that they are already fully connected to what they seek (including thier feeling of disconnection) and that even not realizing that is not disconnected.

Then, starting from that positive, one can consider thier response that they do not feel it, until all is gathered in.

A seeker is, by default, ignorant of their true nature. Ignorant - in this usage - simply means unaware. It’s a description.

If they don’t know that they are ‘fully connected’ then they are ignorant of that fact… until they are not.

Yes.

The question arises however about how movement from feeling disconnected to connected occurs and is facilitated. This will vary from seeker to seeker but if the position that disconnection is impossible is the basis then to communicate that clearly from the start at least removes the idea that there is something lacking in terms of connection. One can then consider what stands in the way of ending the feeling of disconnection whilst being clear that that feeling is not disconnected.

From the linked-to page:

Blind Men and the Elephant – Theological Truth

When it comes to the moral of the Blind Men and the Elephant, it seems that today’s philosophers end their agenda too quickly. Doesn’t the picture of the blind men and the elephant also point to something bigger -- The elephant? Indeed, each blind man has a limited perspective on the objective truth, but that doesn’t mean objective truth isn’t there. In fact, truth isn’t relative at all… It’s there to discover in all its totality. In theology, just because we have limited access to Truth, that doesn’t mean any and all versions of Truth are equally valid. Actually, if we know the Whole Elephant is out there, shouldn’t this drive us to open our eyes wider and seek every opportunity to experience more of Him?

From what I once wrote:

If you wish to be more than just a bouncing ball, pointlessly ricocheting off and between others around you; if your life is to amount to more than a ripple that simply dissipates as it traverses space and time—it is crucial that you understand and appropriately utilize the opportunity inherent in being an aspect of vibrant energy within a much greater, infinitely creative flow of energetic vibration. Your life is a part of all Life, much the way the move*ment of a molecule in its membrane is an integral component of a drum’s total excitation. What you know as Life‑on‑Earth is the conjoint response of our global ‘drumhead’ to a cosmic ‘drumbeat’, partly a function of activity stemming from the sun itself and partly a function of planetary movements. Like a tuning fork, but with much greater complexity because of the tremendous multiplicity and mutuality of our involve*ment, we all ‘vibrate’ together in reflexive co‑motion.

How drop-in-the-oceanic is that?

From the treatise I am currently composing:

Beware, however, as in the case of any purely mechanical analogy, this too may be misleading: The ‘drummer’ in our case is actually the [added phrase: ocean-wave 'driving' wind of] Spirit which lives in and animates everything and everyone everywhere everywhen at once. It’s not like our sun and/or our planetary configurations are especially causal, in other words. Every aspect of Being, including ‘you’, is an influenced and influential, hence functionally integral, aspect of The Flow* of Creativity,* without exception.

* Note: these asterisked words reference the same features of Life that Jesus metaphorically alluded to as ‘the Son’ and ‘the Father’, which many also think and speak of as Christ and God, respectively, just in more action-descriptive terms I think.

How cosmic(ally)-conscious is that?

Woohoo, everyone! :biggrin:

Enlightenment is the death of the mind

Death! You think that you are dying - completely and forever. And it's very good to think so, because it kills the ego.
When a person feels that he is dying, he immediately discards all his ego.

You must go through death without hope of survival.

You have to be honest with yourself, all the stories about life after death are fiction.
When you die honestly, you die with absolute despair.
And this absolute despair removes the last ego that you left behind - the spiritual ego that believes that the individual mind is immortal.

And then something amazing happens.

After you die, you are still here, watching everything around. And that observation is the secret of immortality.
In fact, the only worthwhile thing to know is that when you die, the OBSERVER still lives.

What I found in the Experience is that the human soul is God.
And every person has the potential to detect this,
discover your essence, your soul.
And in the process of this discovery everyone becomes what he discovered.

If we were nothing but a projected illusion, which we call the "I", then in death we would melt like a candle.

But you do not get immortality, just listening to me, or someone else trying to explain it.
The only possible immortality is to fully identify with the OBSERVER, with your TRUE SELF before your body dies.

Then you will not die with him.

In traditional Zen, this is expressed in the words: "If you die before death, then when death comes, you will not die"
Richard Rose "After the Absolute"

Ditto.:smile: