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EarthAngel 24-08-2018 11:19 AM

Did I speak with Death?
 
A few years ago now I was involved in a horrific car accident, a head on collision and the car was crushed flat from the bumper to the windscreen. I often think that I was protected that day because so many people have lost their lives in less severe cases.

I remember blacking out on impact, and it sounds like a cliché but it was as if my life flashed before my eyes and everything went out like a light switch, but then after what felt like an hour, as opposed to probably a matter of seconds, a voice told me that I had not crossed and I needed to awaken and get out the vehicle. I remember the physical strength it took to be able to open my eyes, but I managed to roll out of the car and I realised I was safe.

Now when I recollect my thoughts on he experience I wonder if I came face to face with death. What are your opinions ?

Dargor 24-08-2018 11:40 AM

You mean Death personified like the Grim Reaper? Not sure if that guy literally exists, but who knows. It could be anything/anyone else as well. Do you not remember what that voice sounded like?

EarthAngel 24-08-2018 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight
You mean Death personified like the Grim Reaper? Not sure if that guy literally exists, but who knows. It could be anything/anyone else as well. Do you not remember what that voice sounded like?



No I dont mean it literally! hahaha the voice was soft and calming not sure whether male or female and I wouldnt like to use stereotypes!

Dargor 24-08-2018 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EarthAngel
No I dont mean it literally! hahaha the voice was soft and calming not sure whether male or female and I wouldnt like to use stereotypes!


Oh well as long the voice didn't sound like a complete lunatic I suppose there isn't anything to worry about, whoever it may have been.

Michelle11 24-08-2018 03:01 PM

I would say you had a sort of near death. An opportunity to see the beginning of death but not actually visited the other side. I personally think it was your soul talking to you or a guide. Of course go with your gut on what it felt like to you. Sometimes people do have more extensive experiences but don't' remember them, probably so it doesn't sideline us from our set goals for the life.

EarthAngel 24-08-2018 03:35 PM

When I blacked out it was as if my body had gone but my brain stayed active. So bizarre, almost like two separate states when normally they would work as one.

Michelle11 25-08-2018 09:35 AM

They do say that everything happens for a reason. Maybe your soul wanted your human self to see you aren't your mind. While being human we can get tricked into identifying too much with the human body and our thoughts when we are much more than that. So what do you make of the separateness you experienced?

EarthAngel 25-08-2018 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Michelle11
They do say that everything happens for a reason. Maybe your soul wanted your human self to see you aren't your mind. While being human we can get tricked into identifying too much with the human body and our thoughts when we are much more than that. So what do you make of the separateness you experienced?


I cant really describe it other than to say, it felt like my body had died and had I not heard something telling me to get out I'm not sure I would have ... If I was to use an analogy, the voice/thought was like a glimmering star amongst a pitch black universe, I feel like it came from the depths of my subconsciousness.

Tobi 25-08-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EarthAngel
A few years ago now I was involved in a horrific car accident, a head on collision and the car was crushed flat from the bumper to the windscreen. I often think that I was protected that day because so many people have lost their lives in less severe cases.

I remember blacking out on impact, and it sounds like a cliché but it was as if my life flashed before my eyes and everything went out like a light switch, but then after what felt like an hour, as opposed to probably a matter of seconds, a voice told me that I had not crossed and I needed to awaken and get out the vehicle. I remember the physical strength it took to be able to open my eyes, but I managed to roll out of the car and I realised I was safe.

Now when I recollect my thoughts on he experience I wonder if I came face to face with death. What are your opinions ?


Maybe you did, EarthAngel...
In 1991 I was co-owner of a book store, and one day a strange man came to talk to me. He was dressed unusually for our town: quite formally. He was about 30-40 years old at a guess, clean cut and decent looking. I liked his character and felt at ease with him.
Our conversation took an odd turn. No small-talk. Just plunged me into what I now see as a "life review". (I didn't know that, then) I felt completely at ease discussing many aspects of my life and he asked me a few times, was I happy about what had happened?....would I go back and change anything?...did I feel I had more to do?....etc
The conversation took maybe about 20 minutes. I was curious about such a strange event. The man went on his way, wishing me well.

On my way home in the car about 5.45, I was hit side-on with temendous force as I was taking a right turn, by a speeding driver behind who had overtaken around a bend, didn't see me in time and crashed into me at high speed.

All I remember was a brilliant flash of white light. I had no pain, no thoughts, nothing.
Then I was looking at the road surface inches from me. I could smell leaking fuel and knew the ignition was still switched on. I had a tiny gap in a totally crushed car, to escape, so I got the heck out of that wreck as fast as I could.
I am skinny but don't know how I got my whole body through that tiny gap (I went back to the wreck which was held in a yard in town at a later date, and measured the gap. It was 9")
I was okay. I only had bad bruising and flesh wounds.

The police were amazed anyone had survived a thing like that. The car had been flipped like a pancake and crushed roof to chassis. Plus the driver's side had been caved in totally.

But I have always remembered that conversation I had with the stranger just before that car crash.

It took me 3 years to be able to drive again, and close on two to be able to get in a car again.

EarthAngel 25-08-2018 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobi
Maybe you did, EarthAngel...
In 1991 I was co-owner of a book store, and one day a strange man came to talk to me. He was dressed unusually for our town: quite formally. He was about 30-40 years old at a guess, clean cut and decent looking. I liked his character and felt at ease with him.
Our conversation took an odd turn. No small-talk. Just plunged me into what I now see as a "life review". (I didn't know that, then) I felt completely at ease discussing many aspects of my life and he asked me a few times, was I happy about what had happened?....would I go back and change anything?...did I feel I had more to do?....etc
The conversation took maybe about 20 minutes. I was curious about such a strange event. The man went on his way, wishing me well.

On my way home in the car about 5.45, I was hit side-on with temendous force as I was taking a right turn, by a speeding driver behind who had overtaken around a bend, didn't see me in time and crashed into me at high speed.

All I remember was a brilliant flash of white light. I had no pain, no thoughts, nothing.
Then I was looking at the road surface inches from me. I could smell leaking fuel and knew the ignition was still switched on. I had a tiny gap in a totally crushed car, to escape, so I got the heck out of that wreck as fast as I could.
I am skinny but don't know how I got my whole body through that tiny gap (I went back to the wreck which was held in a yard in town at a later date, and measured the gap. It was 9")
I was okay. I only had bad bruising and flesh wounds.

The police were amazed anyone had survived a thing like that. The car had been flipped like a pancake and crushed roof to chassis. Plus the driver's side had been caved in totally.

But I have always remembered that conversation I had with the stranger just before that car crash.

It took me 3 years to be able to drive again, and close on two to be able to get in a car again.


What an incredible story Toni! Now that you mention it, I recall being in the ambulance while they were checking me over, the paramedic literally said 'Thank your lucky stars kid, we could have quite easily have been in a situation where I was taking you away in a body bag'. Though it sounds so inappropriate to say in that situation, it really struck me the reality that could have been. Goodness knows what kind of alert was sent to the police and ambulances, because there were a lot of flashing lights and they'd even sent for the helicopter.

Insane when I think of it now.

Tobi 25-08-2018 07:11 PM

You were so "lucky" Earth Angel (if luck is the right word for what happened.)
The police said the same to me.
And yes, same here....two road ambulances, helicopter overhead,3 police vehicles, and two fire engines....all turned up to my adventure.

Michelle11 25-08-2018 07:12 PM

Wow Tobi. That was an incredible experience and a miracle you survived and didn't get hurt much. Crazy

EarthAngel, so did your perception of who you are alter any after the experience? Meaning did you think about life or yourself one way before the experience of feeling separate from your body then see things differently now?

Native spirit 25-08-2018 10:17 PM

I To was in a car accident only I was the passenger front seat my sister in law was driving.two of my daughters were in the back along with my niece.
we were on top of the HorseShoe PASS.WHICH IS 365FT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM I remember she was steering the wrong side of the road.i pulled the steering wheel back then I Blacked out I don't know how long I was out.i saw my grandmother she told me I had to go back as it wasn't my time.
I woke up asked the kids if they were ok then I pulled my sister in law off the steering wheel.i asked her what had happened she said she didn't know.my side of the car was gone totally imbedded in rock.the car was crushed I crawled out of the drivers side window.
the kids filled me in the car nearly went over the edge twice they said they could feel a warm light around them.i was the only one injured the seat belt had broken a bone in my shoulder I had to have an op on that.i had very severe whip lash and a huge cut on my head,everybody was amazed that no other cars were on the road at that time or I would have died that was 6 weeks after my husband passed.
but I have had nde before three times.

Namaste

Tobi 26-08-2018 12:54 AM

You and your family were very fortunate in that accident Native spirit. Something came to help you all. It was not your time. That was certain. It is strange that happened only 6 weeks after your husband passed, bless him.

EarthAngel 26-08-2018 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Michelle11
Wow Tobi. That was an incredible experience and a miracle you survived and didn't get hurt much. Crazy

EarthAngel, so did your perception of who you are alter any after the experience? Meaning did you think about life or yourself one way before the experience of feeling separate from your body then see things differently now?


All of my life experiences have shaped me into a stronger person, but I had an awful fear of death, I still do fear the unknown at times however, when I was knocked out, it didn’t hurt. There was no pain everything just stopped. It was amazing that Tobi had a relative speak, but I could only hear. It was so strange it felt like my soul flung out of my body when I crashed, like on the film Ghost, when Patrick Swayze’s soul jumps out. I didn’t get very far! It helped me understand that death wasn’t painful, but that could just be the way in which I could have died, it’s not to say other ways are not painful.

I don’t know, I struggle with it...

Michelle11 26-08-2018 02:54 PM

So that could have been the point. It's normal to fear the unknown. The unknown is scary and our brains are wired to fear death so we do everything in our power to try and survive. It's a part of all living beings on the planet. Threaten an animal and their primal instincts to live kick in. And the interesting thing about humans is that this fear for survival instinct can also become active even if there isn't a physical threat to our selves. Emotional threats can trigger our survival instinct just as much as physical ones. I didn't realize how stuck I was in survival mode because of my upbringing. I also have very strong emotions but that may also be because I felt threatened a lot and afraid all the time. I wasn't in any actual physical danger but my father was very overbearing and authoritarian. So try to keep it in perspective if you can. Pain is a motivator, we do everything in our power to avoid and get rid of pain because it may be a threat to our survival and our brains are wired to survive. They need to be or we would not last long on this planet.

Well anyway, I do think you had a brush with death, you may not have totally crossed but had an opportunity to see you are separate from your body and you will survive even if it dies. From my perspective, there is no other way to look at it if we are outside our bodies looking at it. That can't be an aspect of the brain. Hugs.

FallingLeaves 26-08-2018 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Michelle11
So that could have been the point. It's normal to fear the unknown. The unknown is scary and our brains are wired to fear death so we do everything in our power to try and survive. It's a part of all living beings on the planet. Threaten an animal and their primal instincts to live kick in. And the interesting thing about humans is that this fear for survival instinct can also become active even if there isn't a physical threat to our selves. Emotional threats can trigger our survival instinct just as much as physical ones. I didn't realize how stuck I was in survival mode because of my upbringing. I also have very strong emotions but that may also be because I felt threatened a lot and afraid all the time. I wasn't in any actual physical danger but my father was very overbearing and authoritarian. So try to keep it in perspective if you can. Pain is a motivator, we do everything in our power to avoid and get rid of pain because it may be a threat to our survival and our brains are wired to survive. They need to be or we would not last long on this planet.

Well anyway, I do think you had a brush with death, you may not have totally crossed but had an opportunity to see you are separate from your body and you will survive even if it dies. From my perspective, there is no other way to look at it if we are outside our bodies looking at it. That can't be an aspect of the brain. Hugs.



yeah i know what it is like to be frightened all the time and stuck where the only thing you can do is just hang on and face the next horror, or even worse spend a lot of time trying to prevent the problems you see coming up (shivers). It isn't any fun. I'm glad you seem to have found a balance though :hug2:

Michelle11 27-08-2018 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FallingLeaves
yeah i know what it is like to be frightened all the time and stuck where the only thing you can do is just hang on and face the next horror, or even worse spend a lot of time trying to prevent the problems you see coming up (shivers). It isn't any fun. I'm glad you seem to have found a balance though :hug2:

Thanks FallingLeaves. Being human is challenging. It's been a long road to untangle it all but I am finding balance. Hope you have too. :hug2:

Bubbles 27-08-2018 09:41 PM

Death is one of the biggest Egregore, so I wouldn't be surprised

EarthAngel 28-08-2018 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Michelle11
So that could have been the point. It's normal to fear the unknown. The unknown is scary and our brains are wired to fear death so we do everything in our power to try and survive. It's a part of all living beings on the planet. Threaten an animal and their primal instincts to live kick in. And the interesting thing about humans is that this fear for survival instinct can also become active even if there isn't a physical threat to our selves. Emotional threats can trigger our survival instinct just as much as physical ones. I didn't realize how stuck I was in survival mode because of my upbringing. I also have very strong emotions but that may also be because I felt threatened a lot and afraid all the time. I wasn't in any actual physical danger but my father was very overbearing and authoritarian. So try to keep it in perspective if you can. Pain is a motivator, we do everything in our power to avoid and get rid of pain because it may be a threat to our survival and our brains are wired to survive. They need to be or we would not last long on this planet.

Well anyway, I do think you had a brush with death, you may not have totally crossed but had an opportunity to see you are separate from your body and you will survive even if it dies. From my perspective, there is no other way to look at it if we are outside our bodies looking at it. That can't be an aspect of the brain. Hugs.


Thanks for your insight Michelle11, I guess its true, you know yourself how it feels, its just good sometimes to share your experiences and get others thoughts and know youre not going crazy! hehehe xx

FallingLeaves 28-08-2018 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Michelle11
Thanks FallingLeaves. Being human is challenging. It's been a long road to untangle it all but I am finding balance. Hope you have too. :hug2:


I'm not unhappy about the state of things :hug2:


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