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ThePetest 08-03-2018 01:34 PM

First hand Afterlife experience
 
Hi!

I would like to know if there is any way to experience what it is like on the other side without actually staying there.

I heard one may be able to achieve this using psychedelic drugs but I don't know the first thing about them. Any advice on this?

Is there anyone who can share their experience from Heaven/Hell? (I am more interested in Hell)
I am also interested in what happens to a person after they commit suicide.

desert rat 08-03-2018 02:37 PM

Welcome to the forum . The two I know of , and I have yet to have either are , a near death experence and a astral projection .

SeekerOfKnowledge 08-03-2018 02:40 PM

A friend of mine seems to remember having committed suicide in a past life. She still has tendencies towards depression in her current life it appears. Nothing else seemed to have happened. Just that she carried over the pain she feels because of all this suffering in the world from life to life.

As for Hell... I might have brought it upon myself. You are judging yourself, you know... or so it appears... had a lot of nightmares about Hell and was afraid of it a lot this life. I seem to almost remember that in a past life I acted against my own beliefs and morals severely. Only after I am striving for forgiveness, the fear is fading, as is suffering. Time seems to have no meaning. Hell seems to be a state of mind, not so much an afterlife location. Good news would be that you can free yourself from it at any "time".

dream jo 08-03-2018 04:09 PM

iv dun it in dreams i hav
sean pepepl i loss evn famly iv not met in dreams it gon befr i wz n bornn

MARDAV70 08-03-2018 04:16 PM

I've done a lot of research on NDEs. It looks to me like people who experience "hell" are people who's lives were centered on themselves. They're actually not in a place of punishment, but are looking at either their ego or what the ego imprinted on their consciousness (soul, spirit). Those that became concerned at the negative things they were seeing in this hellish place during their NDEs were immediately drawn up into the light. For this reason I'm inclined to think that the spirit/soul goes through a "reset" when it's separated from the ego. There is no such place as hell as a place of punishment. Much like SeekerOfKnowledge, it makes sense to me that hell is a state of mind (ego)...or perhaps ego's imprint/influence on consciousness/soul/spirit.

As far as psychedelic drugs...this isn't advice...only what I've read, intended for your information. One should never use chemically produced or altered psychedelic drugs. One must used natural substances (ioasca, peyote, etc.), and only with assistance of a shaman or very experienced person. Be very careful. As for myself I wouldn't do it but if I were to do it I wouldn't do any of this without a 100 percent confirmation that a Native American shaman was in charge.

inavalan 08-03-2018 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePetest
Hi!

I would like to know if there is any way to experience what it is like on the other side without actually staying there.

I heard one may be able to achieve this using psychedelic drugs but I don't know the first thing about them. Any advice on this?

Is there anyone who can share their experience from Heaven/Hell? (I am more interested in Hell)
I am also interested in what happens to a person after they commit suicide.

Life between lives hypnotic regression.

Warning: your beliefs affect your perception!

linen53 12-03-2018 02:51 PM

There are thousands of books on the subject. here is a list of free e-books you can browse through.https://new-birth.net/other-stuff/books-we-love/

Ghost_Rider_1970 12-03-2018 08:42 PM

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Hi!

I would like to know if there is any way to experience what it is like on the other side without actually staying there.


You experience this every night when you go to sleep - where you haven't anyconscious awareness :smile:

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I heard one may be able to achieve this using psychedelic drugs but I don't know the first thing about them. Any advice on this?


I really would advise you to keep it that way - as ignorance really is bliss.

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Is there anyone who can share their experience from Heaven/Hell? (I am more interested in Hell)


Heaven and Hell is the here and now, as the current moment is all there is. So if we want to make Hell of it, or Heaven of it, that is entirely our choice.

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I am also interested in what happens to a person after they commit suicide.


While we should treasure life, this is a choice where they quite simply cease to be. Exactly like all of us when we die (irrespective of how we die). Consequently, their Concentrated Consciousness returns to the Universal Consciouness. This being the beautiful state of 'nothingness' from where each of us came.

inavalan 12-03-2018 10:32 PM

"beautiful state of 'nothingness' "? If that's what you believe, then that's what you'll experience ... at first.

Ghost_Rider_1970 12-03-2018 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by inavalan
"beautiful state of 'nothingness' "? If that's what you believe, then that's what you'll experience ... at first.


Oh yes, without any shadow of a doubt. As when I die and my consciousness dies with me I shall return to the magic of ‘nothingness’. The state before I was born, where I’ll not have any conscious awareness. The inner peace of knowing so completely who I am therefore allows me to go with the flow of life rather than go against it.

As I feel myself to be this Universe, having my Universal Experience. I find that so breathtakingly beautiful. Especially as I will live on eternally through everyone and everything with all of Creation being the Universe.

I also love how we all have our own opinions and beliefs, as it is so wonderful seeing so may different viewpoints.

Thank you so much for sharing yours :smile:

inavalan 13-03-2018 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost_Rider_1970
Oh yes, without any shadow of a doubt. As when I die and my consciousness dies with me I shall return to the magic of ‘nothingness’. The state before I was born, where I’ll not have any conscious awareness. The inner peace of knowing so completely who I am therefore allows me to go with the flow of life rather than go against it.

As I feel myself to be this Universe, having my Universal Experience. I find that so breathtakingly beautiful. Especially as I will live on eternally through everyone and everything with all of Creation being the Universe.

I also love how we all have our own opinions and beliefs, as it is so wonderful seeing so may different viewpoints.

Thank you so much for sharing yours :smile:


I think I get what you're saying, and I was pondering if I should interfere with your blissfulness, with my beliefs. I know I can't create your reality, as you can't create mine.

One thought that crossed my mind early in my journey of discovery was: I can believe there's something after death, and behave accordingly, or I can believe there's nothing, and behave accordingly. If I chose that there is something, but there isn't, there won't be any surprise, because I won't be there to be surprised. But, if I chose that there isn't, but there is, then I'll have a big surprise, and behaving as I'm not accountable, may give me an unpleasant surprise.

Just from the point of hedging my bets, the choice that there is something after death, and behaving accordingly, seems the best choice.

Now, if there is something, I should better find out what I can do now in order to avoid the unpleasant surprise that I wasted my life not doing what I should had to, that I wasted a great opportunity.

From there, I started my journey of discovery. At the time I had no idea where that will carry me to.

One tricky thing, about each one of us creating our own reality, is that we perceive only what our thoughts and beliefs create, so each one of us gets more and more confirmation, even when we're wrong; and most of us are.

Tobi 13-03-2018 01:44 AM

An out of body experience and everything that goes with it is probably going to be very similar to what happens after the death of the body. This can be quite scary for first-timers, but then this natural instinct kicks in and it becomes quite pleasant -if a little shocking, and that's probably because we have just become so attached and attuned to the physical 3d world.

But what happens beyond that may (I feel) be a little different to an Astral experience. Certain factors might be the same or similar, but I have a feeling it won't be quite the same as going out on the Astral while still alive in the body.

Ghost_Rider_1970 14-03-2018 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by inavalan
I think I get what you're saying, and I was pondering if I should interfere with your blissfulness, with my beliefs. I know I can't create your reality, as you can't create mine.

One thought that crossed my mind early in my journey of discovery was: I can believe there's something after death, and behave accordingly, or I can believe there's nothing, and behave accordingly. If I chose that there is something, but there isn't, there won't be any surprise, because I won't be there to be surprised. But, if I chose that there isn't, but there is, then I'll have a big surprise, and behaving as I'm not accountable, may give me an unpleasant surprise.

Just from the point of hedging my bets, the choice that there is something after death, and behaving accordingly, seems the best choice.

Now, if there is something, I should better find out what I can do now in order to avoid the unpleasant surprise that I wasted my life not doing what I should had to, that I wasted a great opportunity.

From there, I started my journey of discovery. At the time I had no idea where that will carry me to.

One tricky thing, about each one of us creating our own reality, is that we perceive only what our thoughts and beliefs create, so each one of us gets more and more confirmation, even when we're wrong; and most of us are.


Oh wow inavalan, what a beautiful and thoughtful post.

You really are so very kind, and I promise you are not interfering with my connection to the Universe or who I am at my very core. Where I hope you have found me to be mindful and respectful of your inner understanding too. If anything I really do welcome your views and how you see yourself, as it is truly so wonderful for me to hear.

Like you I have also considered the afterlife along my journey of self discovery and ‘my search for the truth’. I therefore completely take your point about either contemplating the view of ‘nothingness’, possible similar to my own, or that our consciousness continues to exit in some way.

From initially wanting to believe in conscious existence after death, I came to feel that nothing is hidden from us and is simply a matter of perspective. Where rather then us being a soul trapped in a body, each of us is the soul of the universe having our own individual experience. So rather than us being isolated from it, we are each our own ‘Universal Center’ that allows the Universe to extend into us as we extend into it. So all our senses are a bridge that flows both ways.

Therefore, when we die, we as the Universe are reborn through everyone and everything. Where the Universe continues to experience itself completely anew from that perspective for the first time, every time, without any preconceptions or prejudices. I honestly find that truly magical in every way. As not only am I having my own beautiful experience, I am the grass in the fields, the water in the blue mountain lake, the bird singing in the tree, the stars in the sky. I am everyone and everything. I am the Universe, with my sensitivity extending all around. From my view this is so breathtaking, like the whole of Creation.

As I see this appling to us all, everyone therefore has Free Will and is equal in every way. Where we each have complete freedom to see what resonates or not. I’ll therefore always have complete acceptance of everyone’s views and also learn where they may differ to my own.

Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful views, and for allowing me to share mine :smile:


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