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sky 18-10-2017 07:20 AM

Was Jesus Married ?
 
Was Mary Magdalena his wife, did they have children ?

Explorer21 18-10-2017 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sky123
Was Mary Magdalena his wife, did they have children ?


In a channelled message from Mary Magdalene in the book THE MAGDALEN MANUSCRIPT by Tom Kenyon, she says that she was indeed Jesus' wife and they had a daughter named Sar'h and a son. Mary and Jesus were initiates of ancient Egyptian magic, and through the practice of sex magic in their lovemaking together, they greatly empowered Jesus' KA etheric body so that he could successfully endure the crucifixion and be able to resurrect and ascend.

Shaunc 18-10-2017 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sky123
Was Mary Magdalena his wife, did they have children ?

No one will ever know for sure but there are some scholars that do indeed believe that Mary Magdalene was married to Jesus. The main reason/evidence for believing this is that she and Mary, Jesus mother went to the tomb to retrieve his body after the crucifixion. Supposedly at the time in history in Jewish custom this task would only have fallen to close female relatives like wives and mothers.

sky 18-10-2017 10:30 AM

I am wondering if his marriage (if it did happen) was during his ' lost years ' when he was surposedly in India...
Like you said Shaunc, we will never know 100% or mybe we will someday. I can't see any reason for him not marrying, and it's strange that none of the Gospel mention this but then again they were picked out by the Church to fit into their ways.

sky 18-10-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Explorer21
In a channelled message from Mary Magdalene in the book THE MAGDALEN MANUSCRIPT by Tom Kenyon, she says that she was indeed Jesus' wife and they had a daughter named Sar'h and a son. Mary and Jesus were initiates of ancient Egyptian magic, and through the practice of sex magic in their lovemaking together, they greatly empowered Jesus' KA etheric body so that he could successfully endure the crucifixion and be able to resurrect and ascend.


I myself don't believe in chanelled messages so I can't comment, but who knows.

neil 18-10-2017 11:03 AM

OR JUST MAYBE..
When we are created in the image of god/creator, we are created as a whole soul of equal parts of female and male components.ying/yang.

And at our conception, and because of our dna which we had received from our biological parents, we might be female or male, and at the monent of our conception, we would take either the ying OR yang half of the whole FEMALE/MALE WHOLE SOUL COMPONENT That matches the sex that we are created as, by our folks .

So Sky...your folks created female dna sequence at your conception, and the female component of the whole soul, that you were once a part of before your conception, was instantly asigned to the PHYSICAL EARTHLY FORMING FLESH DNA SEQUENCE, THAT YOUR FOLKS CREATED, AND WHICH THAT DNA, GAVE YOU YOUR IDENTITY AND INDIVIDUALITY....and the other half of the whole soul..ying/yang... that you were once a part of, before you were conceived, would now be asigned to a male person, and that male person is your eternal SOULMATE.

So...if this senario is correct then jesus would have had an eternal SOULMATE as well...and because jesus was a person who was atone with god creator or well developed in gods very essence, that had made him a devine being, as I have described SO VERY MANY TIMES ON THIS SITE, then jesus would have known who his ETERNAL SOULMATE WAS...and his eternal soulmate could have been Mary Magdalen OR because of the brutal and cruel ways of those times, his soulmate may have been a completely different woman who may not have survived the demands of the earth life in those times, and could have already passed away from the earth life.

And Sky....because Jesus was such a devine being and fully atone with god/creator, and fully adhering to gods way of love, then jesus would not marry any other woman other than his true SOULMATE, and nor would he lay with any other woman in an emotional or sexual way whatsoever. ...period.

So sky....not that this post answers your question, but just maybe it will give you another way to look at what would have been in jesus's mind regarding Mary Magdalen & or marrying her and fathering children to her, if she was not his eternal soulmate .

SOULMATE LOVE, IS THE ONLY CONJUGAL LOVE, THAT IS RECOGNIZED AND SANCTIONED BUY GOD/CREATOR.

AND NO PERSON WILL ENTER INTO THE MANY MANSIONS OF THE HOLY KINGDOM, IF THEY ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A PERSON WHO IS NOT THEIR SOULMATE...
....BY THE TIME A PERSON HAS REACHED THE ATONEMENT STAGE WITH GOD/CREATOR, AND WHICH ALLOWS THAT PERSON TO ENTER INTO THE FIRST DEVINE SPHERE OF THE MANY MANSIONS OF GODS KINGDOM, THEN THAT PERSON WILL BE WELL AWARE BY THEN, OF WHO THEIR ETERNAL SOULMATE IS, AND WOULD ONLY EVER FROM THAT MOMENT ON, LONG FOR THAT PERSON TO BE CLOSE TO THEM, AS A SOULMATE WOULD BE, WHEN A PERSON IS ATONE WITH GOD/CREATOR.

Regards neil.

Nature Grows 18-10-2017 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sky123
I am wondering if his marriage (if it did happen) was during his ' lost years ' when he was surposedly in India...


I have a book called the lost years of Jesus i haven't read it yet though. Here is the front cover.


Ab Origine 18-10-2017 12:59 PM

Hi Folks..

Yes for sure Mary was his consort - I hesitate to say "wife" as they would not have actually used a religious ceremony - certainly not the Jewish marriage ceremony - but they would have recognised each other indeed as Man and Wife..

In the original disciple gospels, she is often spoken of as having Christs favour and that he "kissed her on the mouth often" - clearly they were in a union that the others did not share, and which sometimes made the other disciples angry and jealous even - so yes probably a natural coupling - no reason at all why it should be prevented or disallowed..

This could not have been during those lost years as they are called though as He only meets her and only starts to perform miracles once He has returned to Nazareth and started to deliver His teachings... The bible is purposefully confusing about her, and church often portrays her as wh0re, though there is no shred of proof to support that, except for the fact her home town Magdela, was renowned for prostitution (just as Sodom and Gomorrha are for gays) so this label of wh0re stuck to her and she is portrayed as a fallen woman - simply not true... We know when they meet, she is ILL - they call it demon possession - maybe so - but either way my mate soon has her up and well, in her right mind again - and next we learn that ideed she is quite wealthy and respectable - actually not a wh0re I doubt, as simply we are told she has plenty of wealth which would not be so for a prostitute - but she probably is a factory owner or her family owned factories, as her home town also is famous for making dyed linens and the like and many grew wealthy and influential from such a trade but never so from prostitution, which was more a "black market" covert business as it still is today (mostly)....


We know she is wealthy indeed, for it is stated clearly that she uses her own money and resources to PROVIDE FOR THEM ALL - and as other women also join our travelling group, so they likewise add their own resources , but it is Mary here who is chief among them always...


Yes, listen to Neil here Folks - he just laid it out in a nearly identical manner to that which Christ delivered to me personally.... This concept of a Soul mate - a LEGITIMATE Soul mate I mean and not that 99% garbage b-s that the subforum here is full of lol - but an ACTUAL TWIN FLAME - is VERY AUTHENTIC... It is indeed pretty much identical to what Neil puts above... See, I my Self am in such a situation, fully believe it - have ASKED about this issue directly and was told directly how this arrangement actually works... As Neil said - we are divided - on many many levels, we split our Self in order to examine each part and so, gain the greater understanding of Self.. There is indeed right now anther complimentary Soul out there for us all that is right now searching for YOU as You are searching for them - this is why so many mortal relationships fail and why so many more just "settle" for a "comfortable life" - but very VERY FEW actually find their twin in truth..

You may have heard me say in other posts, that Iam here specifically for other Souls, and indeed this central issue of marriage, twinned soul and all that, was my very first realisation, prompt and catalyst to start this spiritual journey in earnest.. I will say I met my twin for sure, knew it literally at first sight - and she is not ready yet - I have chased her throughout eternity and I have led her throughout eternity, many many lives as we learn and uncover the truth of who and what we are piece by piece life by life.. This is so for all mortals here and the missing part to our Soul is what makes life so miserable for most, a I say, most are just "settling" for the easy prize and will never get to apprecciate the power of authentic love.. This is also a major reason why we cling to mortal life here so desperatley - we KNOW on that deep Soul level, we MUST reclaim the full Self before we can be free..

But for Christ that mortal situation doesn't really apply - He was already fully revealed in truth, KNEW He is the living Divine Spirit, fully claimed that status and authority always.. Now the post that alludes to channelled messages and "sex magik" - well, first Id say that channelling is very authentic, natural even, Christ tells us specifically to EXPECT such Beings TO come to us directly, Angels Prophets Messengers will come to you in spirit He says they WILL give us the truth information and knowledge we seek - so I have no doubts about the phenomena itself - but the source of such channeling should always be checked, verified - I have found for instance that whenever there is a profound spiritual truth to be delivered then there is ALWAYS a REAL WORLD EVIDENCE that is included as a verifying proof.. Thats how it works for ME at least - the truth delivered in spirit and a real world supporting evidence that I can pass on to you guys to verify that truth.. I mean I cant doubt it - I claim to have the Holy Ghost almost permanently Present, and indeed that itself IS a form of channeling.. It happens t me it must happen to many others too...

So this channelled message - maybe truth - and as real world supporting evidence I will remind us what is recorded as happened, after they murdered Him and He arose from the tomb in SPIRIT incorporeal, none physical none material form... he indeed meets Mary first - and look closely - USUALLY they are all hugs and kisses close, affectionate - but HERE as He first arises - He MAKES HER STAY AWAY - tells her specifically actually - DO NOT APPROACH ME, for I have NOT YET fully ascended to my Father !!!

Clearly there is an issue there of CONTAMINATION - energetically speaking - He cannot allow her BASE corrupt energy to interfere with His now fully raised Divine energy - else she will spoil His Ascention (which is what its really all about)... That channelled message then may well be legitimate, as for sure we can indeed see there is an issue of incompatability and corruption present within the mortal form of Mary - and also later, He gathers ALL the disciples together and tells them again specifically, they MUST STAY WITH HIM, UNTIL they too receive the Holy Ghost FROM Him.. Again, we se this energetic purification is quite vital and essential to spiritual progression - and this lends great credence to that channelled message that said they used ritual sex magik to overcome their vast energetic differences - but this would have been done for MARYs benefit rather than the Christ, though I will say for sure He never reclaimed His FULL Divine majesty until AFTER the mortal form of Yeshua had died - it NEEDED to die in fact to allow this full ascention to even occur - so given all that I personally know here I have no doubt at all that channelled message was most probably accurate...

Explorer21 18-10-2017 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaunc
No one will ever know for sure but there are some scholars that do indeed believe that Mary Magdalene was married to Jesus. The main reason/evidence for believing this is that she and Mary, Jesus mother went to the tomb to retrieve his body after the crucifixion. Supposedly at the time in history in Jewish custom this task would only have fallen to close female relatives like wives and mothers.



You make an excellent point about close relatives of Jesus.

Jeremy Bong 18-10-2017 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
I myself don't believe in chanelled messages so I can't comment, but who knows.



Channeling messages can be done by any God or demon or even by human. Just remember one thing here, that's you can't see him or her. So you got one voice then may I ask can a demon channel to you?

In my experience, they're bad God who like to cheat human by speaking with him or her. Once, one bad god said bad words to me using spells and I captured him but I later led him go away. And I said to him MY WORDS and that he felt my spell but just what I want him not to disturb me again. So you see , channeling is cheating.

Sky, this is always cheating, so meditation is easily be cheated, it's because all inside one's astral playground isn't real. So for those who don't really understand how does it work , please don't trust about that. I know you don't agree with them and you're better than those who really don't have any idea or knowledge of it.

I've asked my Cupidson to speak or channel to Ab Orgine but he doesn't want to answer any question and then he still believes that's the voice of Jesus without seeing him. Or in his astral playground. That's a dreamland, a creation of his mind. He understands it but he thinks that's the real world events. Inside and outside are different in realities and functioning. Cheating himself and cheating others.

neil 18-10-2017 02:00 PM

I would say that there is no sex magic necessary. ..because the only way to god/creator and self divinity is between god/creator and yourself...god will happily transform a person if they so choose to be transformed into a divine being and into the likness of god/creators very essence.

And your eternal soulmate would have to do it the same way... by her or his self.

Any being, in spiritual form, that channels information through to an earthling, that explains that you need some sort ancient sex magic in order to help you gain divinity, is a fraudulent and very dark spiritual being, and who has a very illicid vested interest in the sexual activities of earthlings...THAT IS WHAT DARK BEINGS ARE ALL ABOUT...THEY ARE STILL TIED TO THE TEMTATIONS OF THE FLESH.

VERY DARK AND OR EVIL BEINGS CAN AND DO COME IN ALL FORMS OF DISGUISE, AND CAN COME WITH ALL FORMS OF VERY LOVING SOUNDING INFORMATION, WHICH CAN BE GARNISHED WITH AUTHENTICITY, AND EARTHLINGS WILL LAP IT UP, AND WRITE BOOKS AND SELL UNTOLD COPIES WHICH WILL INTERN BE FEASTED UPON BY THE EARTHLING READERS, AND OF WHO WILL BE HIGHLY INFLUENCED TO BELIEVE THE INFORMATION WITHIN THE BOOKS, BY OTHER DARK BEINGS AT THE TIME OF READING IT.....I HAVE PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT MYSELF.

A LOVING GOD/CREATOR ENTITY, IS NOT ABOUT THE VERY PRIVATE SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, THAT GOD DEEMED ONLY PROPPER, BETWEEN TWO TRUE SOULMATES....AND DOES NOT NEED FOR YOU TO HAVE SEX IN FRONT OF HIM OR ANYONE ELSE IN ORDER TO RECEIVE HIS VERY ESSENCE.

HIS VERY ESSENCE WILL FLOW INTO YOU AND I, IF WE TRULY DESIRE FOR IT TO FLOW INTO US...AND NOTHING BUT WE OURSELVES CAN STOP THE INFLOWINGS ONCE THEY HAVE STARTED TO FLOW....OBVIOUSLY BY NOT DESIRING FOR IT ANYMORE.

Regards neil.

Jeremy Bong 18-10-2017 02:11 PM

Neil,

You're making assumptions again. How can you know all about what you say. And you're so confident to say those "truth". As if Creator is just your next door neighbor, you know him through and through. So how can you not to misleading others here?

jojo50 18-10-2017 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Explorer21
In a channelled message from Mary Magdalene in the book THE MAGDALEN MANUSCRIPT by Tom Kenyon, she says that she was indeed Jesus' wife and they had a daughter named Sar'h and a son. Mary and Jesus were initiates of ancient Egyptian magic, and through the practice of sex magic in their lovemaking together, they greatly empowered Jesus' KA etheric body so that he could successfully endure the crucifixion and be able to resurrect and ascend.


be careful not to allow satan to cause you to stumble! even if MARY did write down her life with Jesus, it wouldn't be full of lies. considering she was a faithful follower of Jesus, as well as a friend. this "book" by Tom Kenyon has the makings of demons in every part of it. because to say..."initiates of ancient Egyptian magic, and through the practice of sex magic in their lovemaking together, they greatly empowered Jesus' KA etheric body so that he could successfully endure the crucifixion and be able to resurrect and ascend". some one is full of it!

also Jesus KNEW that any form of magic is an Abomination against Jehovah God ,(Deut. 18:9-13 When you have come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer. or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh. Because of these abominations, Yahweh your God drives them out from before you). Jesus would not had allowed himself or ANYONE to make him go against his Father.

despite the lies satan has MANY believing, a true follower of Jesus would know. that Jesus did EVERYTHING his Father wanted him to do ,(John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak). he was sent to teach us about his FATHER, including his FATHER'S NAME! ,(John 17:4-6 I glorified you on the earth. I have accomplished the work which you have given me to do. Now, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world existed. I revealed your name to the people whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me. They have kept your word).

then die for our sins ,(John 3:16). he DID NOT, marry or have sex with Mary. he DID NOT have any children, and he most definitely DIDN'T NEED any "ancient Egyptian magic". in order to "endure the crucifixion and be able to resurrect and ascend". he had his Father there right by his side. and it was his Father who resurrected Jesus, NOT him doing it on his own ,(Acts 10:40,41 but God raised him to life on the third day. Then God allowed him to appear. *not to the general public, but to us whom God had chosen in advance to be his witnesses. We were those who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead). the lies people believe, will cause them to teach it. which in turn, will bring on death. we better stop! :rolleyes:

Jeremy Bong 18-10-2017 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
I would say that there is no sex magic necessary. ..because the only way to god/creator and self divinity is between god/creator and yourself...god will happily transform a person if they so choose to be transformed into a divine being and into the likness of god/creators very essence.

And your eternal soulmate would have to do it the same way... by her or his self.

Any being, in spiritual form, that channels information through to an earthling, that explains that you need some sort ancient sex magic in order to help you gain divinity, is a fraudulent and very dark spiritual being, and who has a very illicid vested interest in the sexual activities of earthlings...THAT IS WHAT DARK BEINGS ARE ALL ABOUT...THEY ARE STILL TIED TO THE TEMTATIONS OF THE FLESH.

VERY DARK AND OR EVIL BEINGS CAN AND DO COME IN ALL FORMS OF DISGUISE, AND CAN COME WITH ALL FORMS OF VERY LOVING SOUNDING INFORMATION, WHICH CAN BE GARNISHED WITH AUTHENTICITY, AND EARTHLINGS WILL LAP IT UP, AND WRITE BOOKS AND SELL UNTOLD COPIES WHICH WILL INTERN BE FEASTED UPON BY THE EARTHLING READERS, AND OF WHO WILL BE HIGHLY INFLUENCED TO BELIEVE THE INFORMATION WITHIN THE BOOKS, BY OTHER DARK BEINGS AT THE TIME OF READING IT.....I HAVE PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT MYSELF.

A LOVING GOD/CREATOR ENTITY, IS NOT ABOUT THE VERY PRIVATE SEXUAL ACTIVITIES, THAT GOD DEEMED ONLY PROPPER, BETWEEN TWO TRUE SOULMATES....AND DOES NOT NEED FOR YOU TO HAVE SEX IN FRONT OF HIM OR ANYONE ELSE IN ORDER TO RECEIVE HIS VERY ESSENCE.

HIS VERY ESSENCE WILL FLOW INTO YOU AND I, IF WE TRULY DESIRE FOR IT TO FLOW INTO US...AND NOTHING BUT WE OURSELVES CAN STOP THE INFLOWINGS ONCE THEY HAVE STARTED TO FLOW....OBVIOUSLY BY NOT DESIRING FOR IT ANYMORE.

Regards neil.


What about your English in decline now ?That's what I thought, how can you have wrong spelling word---- TEMTATIONS, WHAT'S IT?

After I read your post, as if darkness force or darkness being is stronger than white or pure energy? So how much do you know about energy? You're misleading the viewers here again.

That's why your assumptions about Jesus to have wife or not is blended by the wrong references. So your whole theory is wrongly written. That's misleading.

You're spreading of YabYum of Hinduism or Tibetan Buddhism or Dzogchen. So what are you trying to tell others here?

sky 18-10-2017 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
OR JUST MAYBE..
When we are created in the image of god/creator, we are created as a whole soul of equal parts of female and male components.ying/yang.

And at our conception, and because of our dna which we had received from our biological parents, we might be female or male, and at the monent of our conception, we would take either the ying OR yang half of the whole FEMALE/MALE WHOLE SOUL COMPONENT That matches the sex that we are created as, by our folks .

So Sky...your folks created female dna sequence at your conception, and the female component of the whole soul, that you were once a part of before your conception, was instantly asigned to the PHYSICAL EARTHLY FORMING FLESH DNA SEQUENCE, THAT YOUR FOLKS CREATED, AND WHICH THAT DNA, GAVE YOU YOUR IDENTITY AND INDIVIDUALITY....and the other half of the whole soul..ying/yang... that you were once a part of, before you were conceived, would now be asigned to a male person, and that male person is your eternal SOULMATE.

So...if this senario is correct then jesus would have had an eternal SOULMATE as well...and because jesus was a person who was atone with god creator or well developed in gods very essence, that had made him a devine being, as I have described SO VERY MANY TIMES ON THIS SITE, then jesus would have known who his ETERNAL SOULMATE WAS...and his eternal soulmate could have been Mary Magdalen OR because of the brutal and cruel ways of those times, his soulmate may have been a completely different woman who may not have survived the demands of the earth life in those times, and could have already passed away from the earth life.

And Sky....because Jesus was such a devine being and fully atone with god/creator, and fully adhering to gods way of love, then jesus would not marry any other woman other than his true SOULMATE, and nor would he lay with any other woman in an emotional or sexual way whatsoever. ...period.

So sky....not that this post answers your question, but just maybe it will give you another way to look at what would have been in jesus's mind regarding Mary Magdalen & or marrying her and fathering children to her, if she was not his eternal soulmate .

SOULMATE LOVE, IS THE ONLY CONJUGAL LOVE, THAT IS RECOGNIZED AND SANCTIONED BUY GOD/CREATOR.

AND NO PERSON WILL ENTER INTO THE MANY MANSIONS OF THE HOLY KINGDOM, IF THEY ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A PERSON WHO IS NOT THEIR SOULMATE...
....BY THE TIME A PERSON HAS REACHED THE ATONEMENT STAGE WITH GOD/CREATOR, AND WHICH ALLOWS THAT PERSON TO ENTER INTO THE FIRST DEVINE SPHERE OF THE MANY MANSIONS OF GODS KINGDOM, THEN THAT PERSON WILL BE WELL AWARE BY THEN, OF WHO THEIR ETERNAL SOULMATE IS, AND WOULD ONLY EVER FROM THAT MOMENT ON, LONG FOR THAT PERSON TO BE CLOSE TO THEM, AS A SOULMATE WOULD BE, WHEN A PERSON IS ATONE WITH GOD/CREATOR.

Regards neil.


Interesting Neil, but I don't believe in a soul so it doesn't work for me.
Yin/Yang .... I also don't percieve it as you do, but I enjoyed your input.:smile:

sky 18-10-2017 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nature Grows
I have a book called the lost years of Jesus i haven't read it yet though. Here is the front cover.



NG there is a very interesting Doc: on the lost years of Jesus, you might enjoy it, I did :smile:

sky 18-10-2017 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong
Channeling messages can be done by any God or demon or even by human. Just remember one thing here, that's you can't see him or her. So you got one voice then may I ask can a demon channel to you?

In my experience, they're bad God who like to cheat human by speaking with him or her. Once, one bad god said bad words to me using spells and I captured him but I later led him go away. And I said to him MY WORDS and that he felt my spell but just what I want him not to disturb me again. So you see , channeling is cheating.

Sky, this is always cheating, so meditation is easily be cheated, it's because all inside one's astral playground isn't real. So for those who don't really understand how does it work , please don't trust about that. I know you don't agree with them and you're better than those who really don't have any idea or knowledge of it.

I've asked my Cupidson to speak or channel to Ab Orgine but he doesn't want to answer any question and then he still believes that's the voice of Jesus without seeing him. Or in his astral playground. That's a dreamland, a creation of his mind. He understands it but he thinks that's the real world events. Inside and outside are different in realities and functioning. Cheating himself and cheating others.


How can your cupid Son channel Ab Jeremy ?
I thought channeling came from deceased people, Ab is very much alive :smile:

Jeremy Bong 18-10-2017 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
How can your cupid Son channel Ab Jeremy ?
I thought channeling came from deceased people, Ab is very much alive :smile:


Wrong wording or understanding? That should be telepathy communication. Something that I asked my Cupidson to talk to him. But he didn't want to answer, maybe he didn't want to admit that anyone could do telepathy communication to him. That's his information is nothing right ---- Jesus talked or told him. That's from demons....

sky 18-10-2017 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong
Wrong wording or understanding? That should be telepathy communication. Something that I asked my Cupidson to talk to him. But he didn't want to answer, maybe he didn't want to admit that anyone could do telepathy communication to him. That's his information is nothing right ---- Jesus talked or told him. That's from demons....


Now telepathy I do believe, but not channeling, it just doesn't make true to me. They are very different though, one is from the living the other the dead...

neil 18-10-2017 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
Interesting Neil, but I don't believe in a soul so it doesn't work for me.
Yin/Yang .... I also don't percieve it as you do, but I enjoyed your input.:smile:


Sky... I use the word soul because it is a well recognized term..but I also mix it with the word self....like this. .."SOUL/SELF OR "SOULSELF"...OR I HAVE USED SIMPLY THE "SELF".

I am just refering to the "BEAUTIFUL LITTLE ENERGETIC SOMETHING" that is given or supplied to us, from creator, and that is divided away into two components, at the conception of one, "FROM THAT WHOLE ENERGETIC SOMETHING" "YING/YANG" THINGY, for us to create offspring in our own likness from.

Because you can not create conscious life from nothing, and creator designed and produced the potentiality for it to be possible. Without the spiritual little something from creator, our parents would be creating something that can not be a conscious being....everything conscious originates and comes from that spiritual gift from creator.

I don't believe that any part of the earthly flesh form is conscious. ..I believe the brain is just subservient to the true us, "THE BEAUTIFUL SPIRITUALY ENERGETIC LITTLE SOMETHING THAT FORMS INTO AN INTELEGENT ENTITY AS IT GROWS AND LEARNS"...which is housed within the flesh and connected to it as well.

And that we are just energetically connected to it...we the invisible energetic self is what keeps the flesh alive and conscious LOOKING.

Look at what happens when we are having a full and total out of body experience, the flesh becomes non conscious. ..dormant even.

It is at that moment that we the conscious energetic self...OR "SOUL/SELF" is away from the flesh, that the flesh is non conscious/dormant.
And we the soul/self will then emanate the spiritual counterpart/image of the earthly flesh....we at that moment are not any part of the spiritual counterpart OR in other words...the spiritual body either.....AS THE TRUE ENERGETIC SELF IS JUST EMANATING THE SPIRITUAL BODY, AND IS INVISIBLE AND HOUSED WITHIN THE SPIRITUAL COUNTERPART OF THE EARTH FLESH BODY.

I respect your beliefs Sky...regards again...neil.

sky 18-10-2017 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
Sky... I use the word soul because it is a well recognized term..but I also mix it with the word self....like this. .."SOUL/SELF OR "SOULSELF"...OR I HAVE USED SIMPLY THE "SELF".

I am just refering to the "BEAUTIFUL LITTLE ENERGETIC SOMETHING" that is given or supplied to us, from creator, and that is divided away into two components, at the conception of one, "FROM THAT WHOLE ENERGETIC SOMETHING" "YING/YANG" THINGY, for us to create offspring in our own likness from.

Because you can not create conscious life from nothing, and creator designed and produced the potentiality for it to be possible. Without the spiritual little something from creator, our parents would be creating something that can not be a conscious being....everything conscious originates and comes from that spiritual gift from creator.

I don't believe that any part of the earthly flesh form is conscious. ..I believe the brain is just subservient to the true us, "THE BEAUTIFUL SPIRITUALY ENERGETIC LITTLE SOMETHING THAT FORMS INTO AN INTELEGENT ENTITY AS IT GROWS AND LEARNS"...which is housed within the flesh and connected to it as well.

And that we are just energetically connected to it...we the invisible energetic self is what keeps the flesh alive and conscious LOOKING.

Look at what happens when we are having a full and total out of body experience, the flesh becomes non conscious. ..dormant even.

It is at that moment that we the conscious energetic self...OR "SOUL/SELF" is away from the flesh, that the flesh is non conscious/dormant.
And we the soul/self will then emanate the spiritual counterpart/image of the earthly flesh....we at that moment are not any part of the spiritual counterpart OR in other words...the spiritual body either.....AS THE TRUE ENERGETIC SELF IS JUST EMANATING THE SPIRITUAL BODY, AND IS INVISIBLE AND HOUSED WITHIN THE SPIRITUAL COUNTERPART OF THE EARTH FLESH BODY.

I respect your beliefs Sky...regards again...neil.


Oh well I am going to confuse you even more :smile: I don't believe in a ' self ' either but you have to use the word to converse. I believe in ' not self '
What is a soul or self ?

Jeremy Bong 18-10-2017 05:47 PM

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Now telepathy I do believe, but not channeling, it just doesn't make true to me. They are very different though, one is from the living the other the dead...


Almost all Gods are communicating with each other by telepathy communication. So far only a few times of my Cupidsons talking with their own voices to me. Their voices are sweet but their mother forbidden them to talk to me in this manner, they prefer to use direct telepathy communication. Most of the time, they're far from me... in the universe...or elsewhere. When using telepathy communication, their voices are less loud and more different from the original voices but I still can distinguish whether they're young or old?

For others, there's one time a ray God talking to me in his dialect in the universe and at that time my computer is malfunctioning , I don't understand what he's talking about? Just for a while, my computer is working again then I can understand what he wants to tell me. That's fun.

neil 18-10-2017 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
Oh well I am going to confuse you even more :smile: I don't believe in a ' self ' either but you have to use the word to converse. I believe in ' not self '
What is a soul or self ?


Ha yes now I remember you saying the above recently.....it is quite difficult to keep up with every bodies beliefs.

Well smile, as I said earlier I believe that the flesh and brain of course is not us.....we are the invisible thinking intelligent thingy, that is enmeshed within and energetically connected to the unconscious and non sentient flesh.

I do remember that you said something a long the lines of universal consciousness and somthing to do with individuality mixed in there as well some how.

7luminaries 18-10-2017 07:25 PM

According to Jewish law, he would normally be married and he was an observant Jew. So he was likely married to someone. Mary Magdalene is the most likely (is anyone else his age mentioned who was female and "free"?).

But if he did not primarily love and relate to her as a person and as a beloved friend, FIRST and FOREMOST and NOT primarily as "his" (possession) subservient sexual partner -- then he would not be showing the way for us with agape love for ALL, regardless of relationship.

If Jesus were married, he was definitely practising a radical way of being when he engages in a long-term friendship with Mary, treating her with the same dignity and the same agape love and kindness (for her highest good) as the other apostles, regardless of her lower social status as woman and/or wife.

A wife was property in those days and was NOT regularly based on any kind of affection, although being kind and courteous to your wife was extolled as the ideal. I agree that standing for agape love in all relationships clearly implies Jesus saw agape love as absolutely foundational to partnership, YES, just as with any other relationship.

I find the idea of Jesus being married interesting for 1 and 1 (radical) reason only -- it promotes and concretely shows that women are deserving of agape love from men in friendship NO MATTER the relationship AND would provide a very DIRECT challenge to the status quo of the day !!! Brilliant :D

That is, you don't get a "free pass" under his way of being to continue to disengage or diminish or disrespect women simply because 1) they're women, 2) they're your property if you are male (for most of history), and 3) you desire their bodies and so respect for women as equals in their humanity is something you really have to work at -- because your lower instinct is to dominate, degrade, and debase them unless you purify it through the channel of the heart centre.

Jesus's way says authentic love is the norm, in our being and in our doing. This has always meant the average man had to stretch hugely, regarding women. Basically, they had to throw out their ideas and behaviours and start anew, from an entirely different place, if they aspired to rise to the challenge to love others authentically, NO exceptions.

He was a huge radical, a total insurrectionist, in the name of truth in authentic love. Whether he was married or not (and as an observant adult Jew with no deformities and so forth, he should have been), everything he stood for still challenges men to take the time to know and authentically love women as people and as beloved friends.

That is what remains so very, very fresh even to this day :wink:

Peace & blessings :hug3:
7L

neil 18-10-2017 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 7luminaries
According to Jewish law, he would normally be married and he was an observant Jew. So he was likely married to someone. Mary Magdalene is the most likely (is anyone else his age mentioned who was female and "free"?).

But if he did not primarily love and relate to her as a person and as a beloved friend, FIRST and FOREMOST and NOT primarily as "his" (possession) subservient sexual partner -- then he would not be showing the way for us with agape love for ALL, regardless of relationship.

If Jesus were married, he was definitely practising a radical way of being when he engages in a long-term friendship with Mary, treating her with the same dignity and the same agape love and kindness (for her highest good) as the other apostles, regardless of her lower social status as woman and/or wife.

A wife was property in those days and was NOT regularly based on any kind of affection, although being kind and courteous to your wife was extolled as the ideal. I agree that standing for agape love in all relationships clearly implies Jesus saw agape love as absolutely foundational to partnership, YES, just as with any other relationship.

I find the idea of Jesus being married interesting for 1 and 1 (radical) reason only -- it promotes and concretely shows that women are deserving of agape love from men in friendship NO MATTER the relationship AND would provide a very DIRECT challenge to the status quo of the day !!! Brilliant :D

That is, you don't get a "free pass" under his way of being to continue to disengage or diminish or disrespect women simply because 1) they're women, 2) they're your property if you are male (for most of history), and 3) you desire their bodies and so respect for women as equals in their humanity is something you really have to work at -- because your lower instinct is to dominate, degrade, and debase them unless you purify it through the channel of the heart centre.

Jesus's way says authentic love is the norm, in our being and in our doing. This has always meant the average man had to stretch hugely, regarding women. Basically, they had to throw out their ideas and behaviours and start anew, from an entirely different place, if they aspired to rise to the challenge to love others authentically, NO exceptions.

He was a huge radical, a total insurrectionist, in the name of truth in authentic love. Whether he was married or not (and as an observant adult Jew with no deformities and so forth, he should have been), everything he stood for still challenges men to take the time to know and authentically love women as people and as beloved friends.

That is what remains so very, very fresh even to this day :wink:

Peace & blessings :hug3:
7L


Well mmm.... jesus wasn't an earthling type of personality for most of his short life...let a lone a jew either.....HE WAS A FULLY TRANSFORMED PERSON, TRANSFORMED INTO THE LIKENESS OF GOD...jesus was a divine being...ALL HOLY, ALL LOVING & ALL MERCIFULL, LIKE NO OTHER EARTHLING.

And would not have followed jewish law....he was a "holy" and divine being and was unto his self and like unto god...AND WOULD HAVE FOLLOWED GODS DIVINE LAWS.

And if marry was his divine soulmate, he would have viewed her in a completely different way than any earthling or any Jewish male would have viewed their wife.

And he would not have even considered entering into an earthling mariage...BECAUSE AS FAR AS JESUS WOULD HAVE BEEN CONCERNED, GOD HAD ALREADY SANCTIONED HIS JOINING TOGETHER WITH HIS SOULMATE, WHOM EVER SHE MAY HAVE BEEN.

And if his family, friends and or apostles did not understand true divine holy soulmate love....then he would not have celebrated it with them...he would have plenty of time to celebrate it, with other fully transformed divine persons, in spiritual form, at any time in the future.

SMILES AND Regards... neil

Busby 19-10-2017 07:03 AM

Of course he wasn't married. Otherwise it would say so in the Bible.

Lorelyen 19-10-2017 07:41 AM

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I myself don't believe in chanelled messages so I can't comment, but who knows.


Have to agree. Too many people are too eager to get their imaginings in print on the web and books to place any credence in this. Mary herself doesn't mention marriage in the remnant of her gospel now available (which of course means she may have said something in the parts still lost). Channeling has become a department of the New Age in its own right. Perhaps 1 in 10,000 "channelings" are genuine nowadays. One of many fads appearing and from which a few authors are making good money.

Lorelyen 19-10-2017 07:44 AM

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Of course he wasn't married. Otherwise it would say so in the Bible.


Unfortunately the Bible is a highly edited, censored document created by the emperor Constantine. Have you ever asked why only 4 gospels appear in the New Testament? Constantine had an agenda. He tried to have every last one of the remaining 8 destroyed. Fortunately he didn't quite succeed.

Shaunc 19-10-2017 07:48 AM

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Of course he wasn't married. Otherwise it would say so in the Bible.

There's a big chunk of Jesus life missing from the bible. Roughly from when he was 7 years old until he was about 30 years old. Bearing in mind that the majority of women were married as young teenagers, his own mother was married at 15, the vast majority of women from middle eastern countries are still married quite young compared to westerners it's not a big stretch to think that if he was married his marriage occurred sometime between the ages of 15 and 30.
Remember that the bible was written by men who most likely had never even met Jesus.

Nature Grows 19-10-2017 09:05 AM

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NG there is a very interesting Doc: on the lost years of Jesus, you might enjoy it, I did :smile:


do you have a link to it sky?







Hallelujah! praise the Lawd!! can i get an Amen!!

sky 19-10-2017 09:54 AM

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do you have a link to it sky?







Hallelujah! praise the Lawd!! can i get an Amen!!



Have a look on youtube, there are a few under ' the missing years of Jesus ' I haven't watched them myself, yet.
The one I enjoyed was on the TV, National Geoghrapic Channel, I don't know if it's possible to download it from somewhere but you could try, it is very good.
Another one you may enjoy NG is ' Jesus was a Buddhist Monk.... It was also on TV National Geog: but you can find it on Youtube...

sky 19-10-2017 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Busby
Of course he wasn't married. Otherwise it would say so in the Bible.



The Bible Busby only tells you what the Church wants you to know. I cannot see any reason for why he would not have married, and I think it would have happened during his ' lost years '.
Why was Mary Magdalena allowed to wash his body, surely this would never have been allowed unless she was his wife ?

Nature Grows 19-10-2017 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sky123
Have a look on youtube, there are a few under ' the missing years of Jesus ' I haven't watched them myself, yet.
The one I enjoyed was on the TV, National Geoghrapic Channel, I don't know if it's possible to download it from somewhere but you could try, it is very good.
Another one you may enjoy NG is ' Jesus was a Buddhist Monk.... It was also on TV National Geog: but you can find it on Youtube...


ok sky thanks.

Busby 19-10-2017 11:53 AM

Oddly enough I have always accepted that the Bible - as it stands today and at all times - represents the word of God.

From all of the above comments it would seem not only that we have only half of the facts but have been totally misled by other people (beside God) getting their fingers in the pie.

It's also quite amazing that so many deviating paths can be walked with information (If that's the right word here) being pulled out of the blue.

This probably has to do with the world's universities offering studies in divinity/theology/religion/scriptures so that holy academics can discuss (from a very high plane) everything from morals to abortion, whilst earning a very good salary - without actually having to get their hands involved in actions.

Explorer21 19-10-2017 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123
The Bible Busby only tells you what the Church wants you to know. I cannot see any reason for why he would not have married, and I think it would have happened during his ' lost years '.
Why was Mary Magdalena allowed to wash his body, surely this would never have been allowed unless she was his wife ?


Sky, it's true that the Bible only tells us what the Church wants us to know. The simple fact is that, in the 5th century, the Church leaders had a meeting where they decided which scriptures went into the Bible and which did not. They chose from a large number of Christian writings, some of which taught about Reincarnation which they thought should not be included in the Bible. Therefore, the latter is very incomplete because important scriptures are missing from it.
You make an excellent point about Mary washing Jesus' body. She annointed his head and feet with expensive ointment, a ritual that only was done by a man's wife in preparation for his burial.
:hug3:

sky 19-10-2017 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Explorer21
Sky, it's true that the Bible only tells us what the Church wants us to know. The simple fact is that, in the 5th century, the Church leaders had a meeting where they decided which scriptures went into the Bible and which did not. They chose from a large number of Christian writings, some of which taught about Reincarnation which they thought should not be included in the Bible. Therefore, the latter is very incomplete because important scriptures are missing from it.
You make an excellent point about Mary washing Jesus' body. She annointed his head and feet with expensive ointment, a ritual that only was done by a man's wife in preparation for his burial.
:hug3:



Yes, they took the scriptures, shook them, turned them upside down and inside out and played games with them on choosing the one's that would give them control or money in the future.
Yes you are correct.... reincarnation is quite an important teaching really but they missed it out as it took away their control over the masses. Thinking you only had one life worked better in their eyes, you did what you were told or you go to hell, no second chance to evolve spiritually and get it right :smile: Thankfully we have the Gnostic Gospels which affirm reincarnation, but according to some they are false, very convenient.
I can't see anyone other than a Wife or Mother being allowed to touch the naked body of Jesus, it just wouldn't have happened. Mybe that's why we have no mention anywhere in Scriptures of Jesus between the age of around 12 until 30, where they lost years or just 'silent years ' ( keep it quiet ) which would have revealed his marital status, another cover up mybe.


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