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Gem 03-11-2018 04:39 AM

Why music is inane and no one listens to it
 
I heard a song at the gym today with the lyrics, 'all we ever hear form you is blah blah blah. All we ever do is go ja ja ja. And we don't even care about what they say coz it's ja ja ja ja blah blah blah blah. Then repeat.


The song has no intro; it just fades in. The instruments and lyrics are just a loop on repeat; and it has no coda. And the video is just the animated lyrics flashing on the screen (which is how I know 'yah' is spelled 'ja').


I'm assuming it is played at the gym because it is popular - why would they play songs which everyone hates, right?



Do people actually like it? And if so, how is that possible?

Honza 03-11-2018 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gem
Do people actually like it? And if so, how is that possible?


Inconceivable......modern trash! :biggrin:

SlayerOfLight 03-11-2018 08:54 AM

Welcome to today's pop music industry.
Simple music for simple minded people.

Kioma 03-11-2018 03:08 PM

I remember a song back in the '80s called "Anna". The lyrics were:

"Anna, Oh Anna." Repeat, repeat, repeat...

It was no Dark Side of the Moon.

Astro 03-11-2018 03:37 PM

Sounds like it's this song: Blah Blah Blah - Armin van Buuren

This is the first time I've heard it & I actually quite like it. Sometime's all a song needs is a simple lyric or two, plus it's got a good beat. I don't see anything inane about it.

It sounds like a song for oppressed youth. I imagine it might offer some release/relief for some. Might influence others to become disobedient as well though, maybe.

Lucky 1 03-11-2018 06:52 PM

I agree.....much of todays music doesn't even qualify as music.....its just rhythmic noise

Dumbed down rhythmic noise for the dumbed down kids of today.

Gem 04-11-2018 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kioma
I remember a song back in the '80s called "Anna". The lyrics were:

"Anna, Oh Anna." Repeat, repeat, repeat...

It was no Dark Side of the Moon.





It is not even comparable to the Dark Side of The Moon album or any song thereon!

clover 04-11-2018 01:13 AM

The internets killed music .....

Gem 04-11-2018 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Astro
Sounds like it's this song: Blah Blah Blah - Armin van Buuren



I did write out the entire lyrics, so no doubt.


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This is the first time I've heard it & I actually quite like it. Sometime's all a song needs is a simple lyric or two, plus it's got a good beat. I don't see anything inane about it.


To me it is so obviously inane that I can't even imagine people appreciating it as music. I doubt anyone does. People might 'like' it in the way they 'like' vacuous face-book posts, I guess.


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It sounds like a song for oppressed youth. I imagine it might offer some release/relief for some. Might influence others to become disobedient as well though, maybe.


I think it tries to be a protest song, but it has no emotional truth, and the film clip only depicts epic rave parties during the 'instrumental break' (and I am using that term extremely loosely).


There are meaningful social/protest song, not music I 'like', but songs I can appreciate as having value heartfelt/honesty even if it is only in lyrics set to a silly backing track. For example, Black Eyed Peas "Ring the Alarm" is a strong protest song which has meaningful lyric, the song is artistically composed with transitional changes and musical variation and includes musical instruments which are played. It has 'brilliance'. I can still appreciate the aesthetic expression and I don't need to 'like' it to appreciate its 'goodness'.

Gem 04-11-2018 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Clover
The internets killed music .....





Just like "video killed the radio star".

Altair 04-11-2018 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gem
Do people actually like it? And if so, how is that possible?

We all have different tastes Gem! Some people will obviously like it, and some don't..

There's a lot of pointlessness and negativity in this thread over something so 'little'..
There's plenty of good music made today, as there has been in the past. Music is timeless.. I like music from all decades, tracks from video games you probably wouldn't like, and sounds for meditation..

I do encounter songs I dislike.. also when at the gym.. I just raise the sound of my own music that I'm listening to at the moment.. or I just embrace that moment.. you can't like everything can you.. don't let it get to your head, let it pass through..:smile:

Gem 04-11-2018 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Altair
We all have different tastes Gem! Some people will obviously like it, and some don't.

There's a lot of pointlessness and negativity in this thread over something so 'little'..



It's recognition of aesthetic depth.



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There's plenty of good music made today, as there has been in the past. Music is timeless.. I like music from all decades, tracks from video games you probably wouldn't like, and sounds for meditation..


I can discern between good music and inane music, but that has nothing to do with what I like.


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I do encounter songs I dislike.. also when at the gym.. I just raise the sound of my own music that I'm listening to at the moment.. or I just embrace that moment.. you can't like everything can you.. don't let it get to your head, let it pass through..:smile:



It's worse than you imagine because Blah Blah Blah is plying on the Gym floor, another equally atrocious song is coming from group exercise room (along with the instructor yelling motivation), and another terrible song comes from the spin bike room all at the same time. People don't seem to notice the cacophony of atrocity. They seem to think it sounds like music, but no one is listening to it anyway. Your solution is to drown out the noise with more noise, and isn't that the impetus to produce inanity in the first place - and why no one is actually listening?

Astro 04-11-2018 02:17 PM

Gem,

It's a cheap & cheerful dance tune that is clearly very popular according to the viewings & liking's on youtube. It's for the youth generation of today, & they are enjoying it it seems.
Because it's a dance tune it doesn't have to have deep & meaningful lyrics because it’s about having a bit of fun & escape. That's the meaning of it.

I can understand it being a bother in the gym cause my gym is a noisy place too.

Gem 05-11-2018 03:04 AM

Yea, most dance music is infantile nonsense with less appreciable content than a nursery rhyme, and when it dominates the social space, no one listens to it anyway, but there is an abundance of excellent music which could be used instead.



One of the tricks being used by unethical producers who don't care about truth, virtue and honest expression is they take a song from the past that has earned fame through brilliance, and produce a cheap knock off which desecrates all that is good. For example, Guns and Roses 'Sweet Child of Mine' was was fundamentally great! Good composition. Excellent catch riff. Brilliant musicianship and soaring vocals, and alive with the artists' vitality. This has recently been reproduced as an utterly degenerate version of the G&R original.



In contrast, The Cranberries "Zombie" has recently been remade by Bad Wolf's version. Performed by (actual) musicians who fully understand that when covering an older song, one must acknowledge and utmostly respect the brilliance of the original, and as a act of dedication, love and courage, the cover must do it justice!

Altair 05-11-2018 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Astro
Because it's a dance tune it doesn't have to have deep & meaningful lyrics because it’s about having a bit of fun & escape. That's the meaning of it.

Exactly..
I think Gem is a bit overreacting. Best put his own music a bit louder (does not equate noise..!!) or just get over it and imagine himself elsewhere, not getting lost in the music.
You can't expect a gym to have 'high quality' music, it's a place for physical exercise.. the music isn't going to be contemplative or anything.:rolleyes:
It's going to be simple and energetic.. dance music is often just that.

SlayerOfLight 05-11-2018 09:03 AM

It still beats me to this day how pop music is considered ''good'' for children even though it promotes sexual perversion and unfaithful relationships. But when it comes to stuff like metal, i't's automatically labeled as satanic even though it's lyrics has more meaning and can be very inspiring and uplifting. Besides that it's also REAL talent instead of the fake high pitched autotune voices in modern pop music. But as I said before in this thread, pop music is simple music for simple minded people with a mob mentality.

Gem 05-11-2018 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Altair
Exactly..
I think Gem is a bit overreacting. Best put his own music a bit louder (does not equate noise..!!)





To drown out the inanity which no one listens to.


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just get over it and imagine himself elsewhere, not getting lost in the music.


You can't expect a gym to have 'high quality' music, it's a place for physical exercise.. the music isn't going to be contemplative or anything.:rolleyes:
It's going to be simple and energetic.. dance music is often just that.


On the contrary, I expect music associated with the fitness industry to be inane.

Altair 05-11-2018 09:15 AM

Wow.. what a lot of generalizations. Pop music is incredibly diverse.. to say it's all sexual perversive and bad is just plain wrong. There's some music I don't like at all, for instance Ed Sheeran, but it's just a reflection of my likes and dislikes, it doesn't mean said artist is 'bad'...

As for metal.. I don't like it at all, but each to their own. I won't let my taste in music devalue other people's tastes. People find music inspiring and uplifting, regardless of the genre. You're not 'cool' or 'sophisticated' by liking an alternative genre and bashing a popular genre. It comes across as immature. You're not any more special than anybody else..:rolleyes: Music taste is an entirely subjective matter. Maybe that pop song you dislike means something for someone else. Maybe it reminds them of a happy moment, a lost loved one, or maybe they just like the rhythm or artist. Other people choose to associate certain genres with certain people they dislike, which is an act of self defeat! We all have our experiences, our moments of happiness, sadness, energetic moods and we seek music that embraces our feelings in the moment..:wink:


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Originally Posted by Gem
On the contrary, I expect music associated with the fitness industry to be inane.

So now the question is.. what are you going to do about it?

SlayerOfLight 05-11-2018 09:40 AM

^ No need to feel so offended there, I'm actually only refering to modern pop music. I'm aware that 80s pop music at least had some class and it's fans were/are somewhat more sophisticated. But it's true that most modern pop music fans tend to be angsty teen girls with an identity crisis who feel the need to 'fit' with the herd rather than developing their own unique taste. But that's the whole point of pop music; mind control. Hypnotising people with subliminal messages. Mind you, I look down on such things and won't hesitate to speak my mind of it.

Gem 05-11-2018 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Altair
Wow.. what a lot of generalizations. Pop music is incredibly diverse.. to say it's all sexual perversive and bad is just plain wrong.





Firstly I can't remember anyone saying pop music is all sexually pervasive, ans secondly, I made generalisations when generalising, but also posted specific examples of songs to demonstrate what makes 'good'.


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There's some music I don't like at all, for instance Ed Sheeran, but it's just a reflection of my likes and dislikes, it doesn't mean said artist is 'bad'...


That's because Sheeran is a great artist regardless of who likes him or not. I can't stand him myself, but he is an extraordinary talent.


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As for metal.. I don't like it at all, but each to their own. I won't let my taste in music devalue other people's tastes. People find music inspiring and uplifting, regardless of the genre. You're not 'cool' or 'sophisticated' by liking an alternative genre and bashing a popular genre.


I recognise what is good and what is rubbish completely independently of what I like.


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It comes across as immature. You're not any more special than anybody else..:rolleyes:


That's an ironic sentence.



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Music taste is an entirely subjective matter.


That's true for taste, preference, but I recognise something substantial beyond my own preferences.



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Maybe that pop song you dislike means something for someone else.




I can't imagine Blah Blah Blah means much to anyone. I mean it's not because I hate it (though I do). It's because it's vacuous idiocy. I hate Sheeran's songs also, but I could articulate the multiple ways his music is appreciable. Sheeran will theme weddings and funerals, be dedicated to loved ones and invoke profound emotional feelings in a great many people. Blah Blah Blah will be 'liked' cuz 'it has a good beat'.



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Maybe it reminds them of a happy moment, a lost loved one, or maybe they just like the rhythm or artist. Other people choose to associate certain genres with certain people they dislike, which is an act of self defeat! We all have our experiences, our moments of happiness, sadness, energetic moods and we seek music that embraces our feelings in the moment..:wink:


So now the question is.. what are you going to do about it?




Talk about it. I understand it is difficult for people to hear what I say, because it cuts through the deception and reveals the truth of the honest and heartfelt expression that defines genuine authenticity. Unlike the techno remake of 'Sweet Child of Mine' which is a cheap scam sold to the ignorant. The G&R original will be a song for all time, and the techno version will be thrown out like the faded cheap trinket it is. You'll see.

Altair 05-11-2018 10:01 AM

@SOL: many teen girls listen to this or that, but it's always been that way. And why care about teenagers? You don't have a teenage daughter do you?! :biggrin:

I'm not offended by the way. I can enjoy many different genres so I can easily understand it can mean something for people. Just because I don't like artist X doesn't mean said artist is bad, only that I don't like him/her! If a song makes you happy or sad it does so for a reason.. it allows for self reflection. All genres can do that to people. Maybe not for you but it may for someone else.

@Gem: You respond to my post but most of it was not even directed at you. I quoted you separately. You happened to post just before me which I didn't know so I responded to SOL immediately without quoting his comment.

And sure the song by G&R will be known for longer and remembered more, but you can't change the fact that some people will really like the makeover. As for Blah Blah (link maybe?) and other terrible songs.. sure, I won't defend poor music by itself, but nor can you claim that your music taste is any better than other people's tastes. It's just your taste. Dance songs aren't extraordinary works of art, I agree, but they still have their place.. and in a certain context they can be great. This is all about subjectivity and context..

This thread is like... ''I like blue more than green.. it's so much more sophisticated, and I'm right about it!''

Gem 05-11-2018 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight
^ No need to feel so offended there, I'm actually only refering to modern pop music. I'm aware that 80s pop music at least had some class and it's fans were/are somewhat more sophisticated. But it's true that most modern pop music fans tend to be angsty teen girls with an identity crisis who feel the need to 'fit' with the herd rather than developing their own unique taste. But that's the whole point of pop music; mind control. Hypnotising people with subliminal messages. Mind you, I look down on such things and won't hesitate to speak my mind of it.





Not really. There has been dishonest vacuous music throughout rock's history. The industry has always had talentless dolts working to a pop formula producing banal trinkets that people 'like'. It's only a 'like' - just as when I post on facebook, 'I got a new haircut today,' and get 20 odd 'likes'. It doesn't mean anything.


Lets try to remember some utter 80's trash. First springs to mind "Da Da Da" by Trio. And what about Achy Breaky Heart? (I guess that one has a little something). How about Ice Ice Baby? What about Milli Vanilli!?

Gem 05-11-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Altair
@SOL: many teen girls listen to this or that, but it's always been that way. And why care about teenagers? You don't have a teenage daughter do you?! :biggrin:

I'm not offended by the way. I can enjoy many different genres so I can easily understand it can mean something for people. Just because I don't like artist X doesn't mean said artist is bad, only that I don't like him/her! If a song makes you happy or sad it does so for a reason.. it allows for self reflection. All genres can do that to people. Maybe not for you but it may for someone else.

@Gem: You respond to my post but most of it was not even directed at you. I quoted you separately. You happened to post just before me which I didn't know so I responded to SOL immediately without quoting his comment.

And sure the song by G&R will be known for longer and remembered more, but you can't change the fact that some people will really like the makeover. As for Blah Blah (link maybe?) and other terrible songs.. sure, I won't defend poor music by itself, but nor can you claim that your music taste is any better than other people's tastes. It's just your taste. Dance songs aren't extraordinary works of art, I agree, but they still have their place.. and in a certain context they can be great. This is all about subjectivity and context..

This thread is like... ''I like blue more than green.. it's so much more sophisticated, and I'm right about it!''





The thread is about sublime aesthetics and it's relationship to virtue, truth, honesty, self revelation... beauty.


To you it's just 'likes', but I discuss higher principles such as like dedication, respect, love, courage, integrity, appreciation... I think a words search of these pages will show my mention of these.

Gem 05-11-2018 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Altair
Wow.. what a lot of generalizations. Pop music is incredibly diverse.. to say it's all sexual perversive and bad is just plain wrong. There's some music I don't like at all, for instance Ed Sheeran, but it's just a reflection of my likes and dislikes, it doesn't mean said artist is 'bad'...

As for metal.. I don't like it at all, but each to their own. I won't let my taste in music devalue other people's tastes. People find music inspiring and uplifting, regardless of the genre. You're not 'cool' or 'sophisticated' by liking an alternative genre and bashing a popular genre. It comes across as immature. You're not any more special than anybody else..:rolleyes: Music taste is an entirely subjective matter. Maybe that pop song you dislike means something for someone else. Maybe it reminds them of a happy moment, a lost loved one, or maybe they just like the rhythm or artist. Other people choose to associate certain genres with certain people they dislike, which is an act of self defeat! We all have our experiences, our moments of happiness, sadness, energetic moods and we seek music that embraces our feelings in the moment..:wink:


So now the question is.. what are you going to do about it?





I can't think of any EDM I could present as good music, but I did make post which included a 2018 Black Eyed Peas song which I complimented and adulated (even though I don't like the genre) so as to demonstrate the difference between a good song which can be appreciated and an inanity as Blah Blah Blah.

Altair 05-11-2018 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gem
The thread is about sublime aesthetics and it's relationship to virtue, truth, honesty, self revelation... beauty.


To you it's just 'likes', but I discuss higher principles such as like dedication, respect, love, courage, integrity, appreciation... I think a words search of these pages will show my mention of these.

Nope.. I'm actually following you just fine.. :biggrin: Some music is 'higher' but that moment, context cannot be replicated at every moment, nor is it practical. I'm less likely to listen to 'higher principles' while at the gym, compared to say when I'm driving on a highway or doing yoga. I'm just saying it's about context and variety..

As for the Blah Blah, was it really the song Astro posted?

Gem 05-11-2018 11:07 AM

This!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9AbuFhT0W4

Gem 05-11-2018 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Altair
Nope.. I'm actually following you just fine.. :biggrin: Some music is 'higher' but that moment, context cannot be replicated at every moment, nor is it practical. I'm less likely to listen to 'higher principles' while at the gym, compared to say when I'm driving on a highway or doing yoga. I'm just saying it's about context and variety..

As for the Blah Blah, was it really the song Astro posted?





I mentioned Blah Blah Blah (wrote out all 10 words of the lyrics) in the OP, Then was it Astro who provided a link in the second post?


You would never listen to Blah Blah Blah for a yoga track because you know it's atrocious and yoga is deep. Even people who 'like' it know it's mindless nonsense. However, because it's dominant on the airwaves, in gyms and so on, as part of media fakery promoting junk trinkets for sale, we are brainwashed into thinking that it is acceptable, and furthermore, popular - we should like it. But really, no one does, so they don't really listen to it at all - not like people listen to Sheeran. Our social standards are such that the lack of integrity doesn't matter because the general population want to get 'likes' for our fakery social facebook/IG lives in exactly the same way: by being trivial, shallow, deceptive, when we know the truth ain't gunna fly. The irony is, it's actually made important because every employer, every girl I express interest and so on, will check out all my social media nonsense and 'rate' me accordingly... 'like'? It's all a facade, you know, but people live as if it's authentic - though they know full well it isn't. That is what 'Blah Blah Blah' represents as the culture producing art. It poses as a protest song, but is really shallow conformity.

Altair 05-11-2018 12:29 PM

I agree itís a really bad song.. but I donít think anyone would claim that itís a form of high culture. Now I wouldnít even like that in the gym (heard it a few times) but yeah.. other people, other tastes.. best enjoy your taste and stop caring how other people miss out and like **** music..
I donít think your gym is going to change that, they go with whatís popular and what gives people energy in a physical setting. Maybe if you ask them kindly or start a petition.. maybe it helps..:smile:

Astro 05-11-2018 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gem
Yea, most dance music is infantile nonsense with less appreciable content than a nursery rhyme, and when it dominates the social space, no one listens to it anyway, but there is an abundance of excellent music which could be used instead.



One of the tricks being used by unethical producers who don't care about truth, virtue and honest expression is they take a song from the past that has earned fame through brilliance, and produce a cheap knock off which desecrates all that is good. For example, Guns and Roses 'Sweet Child of Mine' was was fundamentally great! Good composition. Excellent catch riff. Brilliant musicianship and soaring vocals, and alive with the artists' vitality. This has recently been reproduced as an utterly degenerate version of the G&R original.



In contrast, The Cranberries "Zombie" has recently been remade by Bad Wolf's version. Performed by (actual) musicians who fully understand that when covering an older song, one must acknowledge and utmostly respect the brilliance of the original, and as a act of dedication, love and courage, the cover must do it justice!


As I’ve already said, the lyrics in dance music most often provide nothing more that a bit of relief; something to relate to, or something to uplift you & to help get you dancing. Technically they are often not as elaborate as a nursery rhyme.
I found the dance music that was out there in the 90’s & early 00’s to be very enjoyable & uplifting. I would not call the lyrics infantile at all, they were often very much for the minds of (young) adults.
I wonder with Blah Blah Blah if it is intended to appeal to older children & younger teens to encourage them to take an interest in dance music.

I have similar thoughts about that ‘Sweet Child’ cover, which I don’t see as being degenerate at all, it’s just made to a different genre of music, & I don’t find that to be important.
Sometimes it's clear that a piece of music or a song is just not for me.

It also seems unfair to compare dance lyrics with the song writing of other genres. Dance doesn’t have a great deal to say because it’s about dancing. Rap, rock, & other genre’s are as much about the songs as they are about the music, if not more so.

Altair 05-11-2018 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Astro
I found the dance music that was out there in the 90’s & early 00’s to be very enjoyable & uplifting.

Absolutely! Wouldn’t consider it “spiritual” or anything but it was uplifting, it gave energy and I still listen to it from time to time. Every genre has its place.
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Originally Posted by Astro
It also seems unfair to compare dance lyrics with the song writing of other genres. Dance doesn’t have a great deal to say because it’s about dancing. Rap, rock, & other genre’s are as much about the songs as there are about the music, if not more so.

Great point, and lyrics IMO are rarely good in music, often meaningless drivel and in many pop songs but also rock and alternative rock it’s just rubbish nonsense that perpetuates the cultural belief in “romantic love”.. BUT the rhythm may be great!

Actually I prefer music with no lyrics at all! The most beautiful music for me are sounds for meditation, classical, and many video game tracks. All of them can get my mind elsewhere whereas lyrics keep us more in this world!

Kioma 05-11-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gem
...To you it's just 'likes', but I discuss higher principles such as like dedication, respect, love, courage, integrity, appreciation... I think a words search of these pages will show my mention of these.

Well well - who's looking down on other people now?

Altair 05-11-2018 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kioma
Well well - who's looking down on other people now?

It's not looking down. He makes a fair point, one I understand. I just disagree with Gem from a practical point of view. Music of 'higher quality' isn't always desirable in every context. Every genre and type of music can have a purpose. Most of us here know meditation is conducive to spiritual growth, and superior to many mental exercises to 'cleanse' one's self, but that doesn't make the other ones irrelevant or meaningless, nor does it mean we can't say meditation is of higher quality..

I'm just arguing for a bit of pragmatism here..:D

Kioma 05-11-2018 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Altair
It's not looking down. He makes a fair point, one I understand. I just disagree with Gem from a practical point of view. Music of 'higher quality' isn't always desirable in every context. Every genre and type of music can have a purpose. Most of us here know meditation is conducive to spiritual growth, and superior to many mental exercises to 'cleanse' one's self, but that doesn't make the other ones irrelevant or meaningless, nor does it mean we can't say meditation is of higher quality..

I'm just arguing for a bit of pragmatism here..:D

What an understanding and equanimitable attitude.

I appreciate that.

Gem 06-11-2018 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kioma
Well well - who's looking down on other people now?





You may make it into the arrogant flaws of Gem, and maybe you are not looking down, but trying to cut down, but if you have nothing significant to say about the aesthetics and merit of modern music, or the lack thereof, then it is indeed you who intends to denigrate a personal subject.

Gem 06-11-2018 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Astro
As Iíve already said, the lyrics in dance music most often provide nothing more that a bit of relief; something to relate to, or something to uplift you & to help get you dancing. Technically they are often not as elaborate as a nursery rhyme.



I'm so glad that you recognise that.




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I found the dance music that was out there in the 90ís & early 00ís to be very enjoyable & uplifting. I would not call the lyrics infantile at all, they were often very much for the minds of (young) adults.
I wonder with Blah Blah Blah if it is intended to appeal to older children & younger teens to encourage them to take an interest in dance music.


I have never seen anything appreciable about EDM, but as you can see I am a music snob. My father listened to classical music and I was brought up with all the great symphonies, which have intricacy and depth. I was a preteen-tween during the disco era and a teen during the 80's, so I have seen the necessity for musical finess gradually replaced by gadgets. Of course, with EDM, the sound continues to play even when the 'performer' isn't touching the equipment, so pre-recorded sound is used rather than the moment and instrument is touched. Because my ear is attuned to nuance of timber dynamics and the deft subtlety of the human touch, EDM, lacking all that, sounds like a crude parody of music.


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I have similar thoughts about that ĎSweet Childí cover, which I donít see as being degenerate at all, itís just made to a different genre of music, & I donít find that to be important.
Sometimes it's clear that a piece of music or a song is just not for me.


If G&R 'Sweet child of mine' was a fine Italian pasta made with loving care, the techno version would be a TV dinner.


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It also seems unfair to compare dance lyrics with the song writing of other genres. Dance doesnít have a great deal to say because itís about dancing. Rap, rock, & other genreís are as much about the songs as they are about the music, if not more so.




As a comparison, there has always been a genre for dancing, and these songs rarely have meaningful lyrics, but when the music is 'played' (as opposed to being 100% produced) it still requires finesse. For example, the jazz genre Swing was only dance music, but required skilled musicians, and the genre can't be denegrated to utter triviality by clever technical production techniques. That Genre could only be enhanced by modern technology by bands such as Caravan Palace because you can't pass it off without a soul.

Astro 06-11-2018 01:55 PM

Gem,

I think a lot of electronic music allows people to let go & forget about there worries & stresses.

As you mention classical, I have to say that that to me is almost completely inane. I find little of value in it, it does nothing for me generally. The exception is film sound tracks.

Kioma 06-11-2018 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gem
You may make it into the arrogant flaws of Gem, and maybe you are not looking down, but trying to cut down, but if you have nothing significant to say about the aesthetics and merit of modern music, or the lack thereof, then it is indeed you who intends to denigrate a personal subject.

That answers that.

And I have a lot to say about modern music, and music in general. I just thought it interesting when you made it about the listener, especially considering your views on other topics. Sorry about my pointing it out - what else did I expect.

And frankly, I don't think every song needs to be some soul-searching epic exploration of the depths of human meaning. Isn't that, by definition, a rather narrow inquiry?

Being human IS being many things - and I think ALL our expressions are a direct reflection of that (yes, even yours), to be celebrated or denigrated as appropriate - which in all times and all places will not be the same thing - but always worthy of examination, and appreciated for what it is.

Atman - Spirit

LadyMay 06-11-2018 06:42 PM

It's simple and easy on the ears, that's why it's popular. No one wants to listen to Mozart whilst window shopping for some new trainers.

Gem 07-11-2018 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Astro
Gem,

I think a lot of electronic music allows people to let go & forget about there worries & stresses.

As you mention classical, I have to say that that to me is almost completely inane. I find little of value in it, it does nothing for me generally. The exception is film sound tracks.





I don't kick back to Tchaikovsky with a copita of sherry either, but it is objective virtuosity.

Gem 07-11-2018 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AraceliCianna
It's simple and easy on the ears, that's why it's popular. No one wants to listen to Mozart whilst window shopping for some new trainers.





They only play music in malls to drive sales by inciting consumer mania. No one is actually listening to the music because that would mean people are aware. They need us to be mindless consumers and near enough everything media is part of that.


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