Some Questions About Spirits ...
 

Hello all, I have some questions about spirits and it would be very much appreciated and helpful if somebody could answer ... :redface:

1. Can a spirit fool you with its identity ? What I mean is, if you ask a spirit who it is ( or who it WAS while it was on Earth ) and it tells you who it was while it was on Earth, is it possible for the spirit to be lying to you ?

2. If so, how long can the spirit lie to you before the truth comes out ?

Again, any answers are well appreciated :smile:

well in evidential mediumship they could lie to the medium but it would ultimately come out as a lie when told to the person getting the reading. when giving any type of reading, I never give a reading unless they knew the deceased so they would know any answers coming through.

how are you speaking to the spirits that they are lying to you or you think they are lying to you?

Great answer!!!!!

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1. Look around at all the people you see that are alive - do they lie? I'm sure they do. Spirits are just people. That's all they are. Same as if you are trying to label a Cop. Cops, in the end, are just people, not all of them are nice.

2. That would depend on you, and your own level of intuition. You can easily tell when a person is lying to you, because you can read their facial expressions, their body language, ect. But with a spirit, you may not be able to do this, thus, it comes down to your intuition.

The spirit that approached me was a nice spirit ... it never tried to harm me in any of kind of way, shape, or form ... it consoled me when I was upset and oddly enough, for some reason, I saw a piece of myself inside of the spirit ... its very hard to explain ..

The biggest problem I have with the spirit is, it claimed to be someone who was very well known on Earth ... and I dont know how much credit I can give to something like that.

Therefore, I just assumed the spirit a fake.

Thank you all for your answers, though :)

just curious, who did they claim to be?

Sorry, but I dont feel comfortable with stating who the spirit claimed to be out in the open ...

Only reason why they would try to deceive you would be a personal thing which is rare, most spirits don't care and would go ahead and reveal themselves.

A good number of people claim to have seen Jesus and felt his presence.

If the spirit you experienced is someone whom you would expect to bring you comfort at such times then it's possible it was that particular person who came from the spirit world.

This doesn't mean to imply they are constantly with you, or a personal guide. It's more than likely they were attracted to you due to the circumstances. For instance, if you enjoy writing poetry, some people claim your work can be influenced by well known poets of the past, poetry being the connecting link that attracts them. Anything is possible I suppose.

I would suggest though to keep grounded by not allowing the spirit's influence to overtake your own sense of reasoning and for you to test spirit at all times by questioning them.

The thing to remember with 'famous' spirits is that they are people, like any other. What matters is your reaction and what you do with that information. Many mediums work with famous names but never tell anyone, because that lays the burden on proof on them and if the spirit person wishes to continue their work, then their previous identity doesn't really matter in the long run.
If your famous person returns, then test their spiritual credibility by asking why they have made themselves known, what work they wish to do with you, etc. If they're just someone mucking about, you'll soon suss it out. :smile:

Okay, I dont like some of you guys' approaches to me about this whole thing. Im feeling like some of you are subtly trying to come at me wrong ... I can feel vibes ...

All I did was ask 2 simple questions, thats it.
Im only only 17 years old. Im just looking for guidance and answers.

.. But Im feeling bad vibes from some of you .. and all I have to say is if youre going to be subtly disrespectful or anything of the sort, then dont reply to my messages and dont write me at all, please. Thank you.

Thank you so much for being respectful to me with your reply :smile:
Youre right, "famous" spirits are regular just like everyone else ... I dont even view famous people as "famous" . They are just people, like us.

However, I feel I cant name the spirit that approached me, because it claimed to be a person who was famous on this Earth and people often get sidetracked on spiritual experiences because they get too caught up on the "fame" of the person ... I hope you understand what I mean ...
This makes it very tough for me to speak on my spiritual expereince to almost anyone ... :icon_frown:

The spirit told me why it came it to me .. it said it came to me because I needed love. And thats all the spirit basically showed me was love. I didnt feel like the spirit came to me to "use" me necessarily for anything in particular .. I feel like it just came because it did .. I know that sounds very simple,but thats how I felt when it was around.

The spirit isnt around me anymore and I dont think it will be coming back as I believe it advanced to a much "higher plane" .

I only worry about being tricked and deceived by spirits and things and I dont trust myself very often so thats why its hard for me to decipher the truth from the lies ...

Again, thank you so much for your reply :smile:

I dont find what you said odd at all :smile:
I did ask the spirit if it was fooling or not and it told me that it wasnt.
I never felt any negativity from this spirit, but I only struggle with it, because I know that spirits can deceive you too ... :icon_frown:
The spirit often showed me nothing but love of all kinds ... but like I said, I am very much aware that some spirits can trick you ... and thats why I am confused.

Another thing. I am only looking for guidance and answers ... Im not claiming anything to be the absolute "truth" ... thats why I am here in the first place.
Its a spiritual thing for me 1OO percent ... not a physcial thing so much ...

.. But I feel like some of you are getting too caught up in ONE thing I said : " the person was well known on Earth ... "

Its spiritual ...

Such distrust to the spirit after how straight forward they're being, what annoys me the most is the discrimination that people give spirits, because they don't understand them, if they're different, they're evil or bad. If they have dark energy they're evil or negative. I just asked who it may have been, because I dunno if I may have met them before or not, nothing more.

Im not discriminating against the spirit at all. I just simply said I assumed it was fake because I didnt understand any of my experience. Maybe that was wrong of me to say that, I will admit that. But I dont appreciate the way you flew out into judging me as a "discriminator" before you actually knew the whole story. I didnt dismiss the spirit because it was "different", I dismissed it because I became confused about the whole experience with it. I am sorry for any confusion I caused ... I truly dont like to argue, even if its over the internet. I HATE discord.

However, I DO believe that if a spirit has a negative energy or a dark energy, that they are evil. Now maybe I am wrong in thinking this, but this is my belief. You cant bash me for what I believe in. I never bashed you .. so please respect me.

I also am confused as to what you believe about my story ... do you believe it is authentic or not?

I am sorry if I misunderstood you. I truly am <3 .
I just felt like you were being facetious in asking me who the spirit claimed to be ... but if you werent, then I was wrong, and I am sorry.

The bold is what I dislike because that IS discrimination, a different energy doesn't make someone evil. This isn't about bashing me or bashing or, I'm not bashing, what I don't get is how is it acceptable for such behavior to just treat others differently because of which? Such ignorance isn't allowed here physically but it's okay for those who aren't here with us physically? How would you like it if because your relative was different in such a tiny detail that I would start treating them like they're some enemy? Some evil person who shouldn't be trusted? Just because of ENERGY?! It's different if it's from intent but just plain energy is their existence, you're just going to judge from that?! This isn't just to you, but to almost the ENTIRE forum here, it's almost ENCOURAGED to be treating beings like that and I wouldn't doubt it whatsoever that I'd be banned because I keep showing "disrespect" because I don't see how that's fair to the spirits. If you want to get into this sort of field, be serious about this post of mine and quit being so friggin' ignorant. I may not know your entire story, but that's because you won't share it.

Yes, you asked one to three small questions throughout this entire thread but if you hope to be taught about the astral plane and all of those who reside in it, you're better off learning on ALL sides, not just one. If you wish of such, you're going to have to put vibrations, feelings, emotions, and even looks aside.

Thank you so much for your reply :smile:
Thats what had me confused in the first place, I know there are sneaky, deceiving spirits out there ... and thats why I dont know what to think about the spirit that came to me.
However, the spirit did show me love like I said before ... all kinds of love. It showed a love that I dont think a human being could even show me. I deeply appreciated that ... but at the end of the day, I was still confused on whether the spirit was truly being honest or not. You know how sometimes we have our doubts about certain things we believe in? Well, I think it was something like that ...

For some reason, you strike me as a very positive, loving person ... and every response you have given me was respectful and I just want to say thank you :smile:

Okay, please just leave me alone. Thank you.

PM :smile:

Edit: Screw it, I'm done, I can't possibly respond to this forum anymore, it's a waste of time. I'll just do what everyone else does, generalize the population. Everyone on board is the same, it's a waste of time and effort in trying to help, trying to teach, and even trying to share anything at all interesting.

Spirit visitors can be of a lower vibrational frequency and can misrepresent themselves as higher entities. It DOES happen...witness poor Blossom Goodchild who was lead down the primrose path by a trickster spirit purporting to be high spiritually evolved E.T.'s preparing to make a world-wide appearance on earth! Mostly how these trickster spirits work is to seduce the unsuspecting human with flowery flattery and the stroking of ego. You're told you are "special", "chosen", above ordinary humans. It sucked Blossom in, and it almost never fails to do so. When spirits tell us what we want to believe and flatter us in the process, it's a heady coctail that is hard to resist...!

I find the best way to avoid getting an imposter is to set up communications with high protection and with your Higher Self in the role of "bouncer", effectively carding people/entities at the proverbial door :smile: It works like a charm! And remember this too. You may think a famous person from history, a well known ascended Master or an Arch Angel is not likely to contact ordinary common place individuals, but think again!! Those beings are first and foremost in service, and secondly they value all aspects of Divine Oneness equally and do not make judgements between so-called "worthy" and "unworthy" humans...! It is their pleasure and purpose to serve humankind in our spiritual advancement, and they are only too happy to do so.

You're welcome. :hug3: Names mean nothing to spirit, they are just a label. No one needs to know who that person was in this life - they brought you love and went on their way. Perhaps there is a soul connection between you... perhaps that was a lesson in humility for them... perhaps you will meet again one day, when both of you have progressed. Who knows? It's not unknown for spiritual workers to have knowledge they just can't tell anyone... write it in your journal, date it and chalk it up to a wonderful experience which you both benefited from. :hug3:

Rumar, do remember that everyone learns at their own pace and that spirit people are perfectly capable of seeing past peoples' perceptions to the truth of their souls. They don't need you getting angry on their behalf, imho. :smile:

Gee Rumar... You might consider it's your own attitude that generates the negative response to you. Just sayin'


blessings
Xan

Thank you so much for your post :smile:
I agree with you 1OO percent .. :smile:

Thank you so much for your reply :hug2:
I feel like you amongst other people here actually understand my experience for what it was .. and it feels so good to have people understand you and give feedback :smile:
Im in agreement with you. I think everybody is equal in the spiritual realm, meaning that "fame" and things of that nature dont exist.
Im not that educated about the spiritual world, so thats why I am here .. so people like you can give me guidance and share your wisdom with me :smile:
I have struggled with that, myself .. I wasnt sure if me and this spirit had a soul connection or not ... but I just decided to let that part go. the odd thing about it is, the spirit kind of looked like me in a way that wasnt physical .. very difficult to explain .. it was almost as if I was seeing my own spirit on one half of the spirit and then I saw the spirit for who it really was on ther half .. I dont know, it was weird .. but I actually came to love the spirit .. very much. Sometimes, I feel crazy for saying things like that .. " I love a spirit ", because I feel like most people wouldnt understand and would look at me strange. But in my heart, I feel like thats what we all are underneath the flesh ... SPIRITS!
Anyway, sorry for rambling lol .
Thank you again for your reply <3.

I would suggest that what you saw was that spirit's true essence and also your connection to them. We are much, much more than the sum of our parts and our own eternal spirit is vast in comparison to our tiny physical ego. Perhaps that was a flash of such insight. Something to ponder, eh? :smile:

Yes ... I agree ... what you just wrote to me is definitely something to ponder :smile:
Thank you so much for all of your replies to me, because all of them are insightful :hug3:

read a little of this it will help you understand, but at the same time you say some one famous, do you mean they had a life recently or ever had a life or is this famous like God or angles,

meilach.com/spiritual/warning/warning

I my self have run across a spirit in the same situation. but the only thing he showed me is love. and like you it was a love that can not be reproduced on earth by any one. he showed me his love for me and my love for him. the weird part though when this happend was before the spirit came to me, some thing else visited me and told me never to listen to them. never do what they tell you. and that when some one of importance comes to you, you will be able to see them with your heart. that's if there not willing to open themselves up to you chances are its false. spirits have a calling card, every one of them do. its the sensation,vision,image, perception, frequency all wrapped in one instance. this is the name you should be concerned about, not a physical name. and if you do it this way when you run across one of them that you have all ready meet in heaven or hell or where ever you went, you will know them from the same signature they gave you in there.

even past spirits from previous lives have this spiritual signature. dont worry about there name, it seems you might be caught up on this too a little. honestly if there here to show you some love count your blessings. even to be shown care from any spiritual being is a gift to see them

the spirit that im with loves me to death. and is there for me all the time. what he has taught me is amazing and his thought on the matter of me not trusting him is " well i got all the time in the universe i can wait till you see"
but he is not eager to push the truth.

i hope you get to experince this again and chances are there still around you helping you through you daily life.

you know did you get hurt, do you feel misinformed, do you feel violated. do you feel guilty of excepting this? if not then accept it for what you saw. keep in mind that some times what were shown is part of the plan and your needed to act the way of the plan. so they show you something to push in in that direction. trust me its ok to beleave your experince.

Some Questions About Spirits
 

Can only answer for the last one - the attorney does matter. It doesnt matter where one is located if he/she are in the US.
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The Spirit might be 'trying you out for size'. That doesn't mean to say they're lying for the sake of lying, they might not tell you the truth to see what you'll make of it - or not. With Spirit, it's not a good idea to assume anything. If the Spirit says it was someone famous in their physical Life they might well have been. The rules change when Spirit is concerned, and if someone won't give you the time of day when they're alive it doesn't necessarily follow they'll do the same thing as Spirit. It's about making your own sense of it.

Thank you for your post :smile:
I understand what you mean ... and I definitely think that what you said could be a high possibility ...
I really agree with what you said here : " ... and if someone won't give you the time of day when they're alive it doesn't necessarily follow they'll do the same thing as Spirit "

You're very welcome, Eternally.

Rule One - burn the rule book.
Things are never quite the way that seem, Spirit-ways. A friend of mine says she uses two heads when dealing with Spirit. When the human head stops working, she puts on her Spirit head and things begin to make a little more sense. While it's not good to get paranoid, sometimes Spirit puts us to the test to see what we're going to make of it. Look on it more of an assessment than a test and it might make a little more sense. Sometimes Spirit will throw things into the mix to see how you'll respond or not. Imagine if you were Spirit - what would you do with you? I would say the thing here would be to hone your own feelings, don't take anything at face value but give it the benefit of the doubt at least then see how you feel from there. Perhaps later on you might feel the Spirit that came to you wasn't on the level, or perhaps they were after all. Discernment is the best tool you have and sometimes you can do yourself - and Spirit - a great disservice if you don't use everything you've got.

Thank you for your reply :smile:
Something weird about the Spirit is, it looked like me .. it looked like me to the 1Oth power ... I cant really explain it. It wasnt a physical thing though ... it was more of a soul/spiritual type thing ... the spirit really reminded me of myself .. but at the same time, it reminded me of someone else that I loved very much who died about a couple of years ago ... the spirit was very real. It was almost TOO real to the point of scaring me, if that makes sense to you .. when I finally got the chance to see the spirit in its "true form", something inside of my soul felt as if it knew and recognized who the spirit was before my physcial self actually did .. and this threw me off, as I dont understand it ...? :confused:

Sorry to steer off point lol . Something inside of me just wanted to let you know that for some reason ..
I understand what you are trying to tell me 1OO percent ... I really do and I thank you for sharing your insight with me . :smile:
Something I noticed is, the spirit who visited me knew how I felt about it as I would tell it ... I would tell Spirit how confused I was about it and how I didnt understand anything about it .. Spirit would often tell me that its sorry for making me confused and that it didnt mean to do that .. it told me that it was here because "I needed love ..." and it told me that it "loved me more than anything else in this world .." and that it "only wanted to show me that it cared about me .." and that "it was always around me .." ( the things I put in quotes are the thing the Spirit actually said .. ) but even though it told me all those things, it still didnt help the way I felt ... I was still confused ... :confused:


Anyway, once again, Ill have you know that I do understand what you are telling me 1OO percent and you could be absolutely right ..
My problem is I dont know how to trust myself or my intuition .. so even if I did feel something in particular, I wouldnt know how to trust it, unfortunately .. :icon_frown: