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MattMVS7 27-09-2019 06:54 PM

I think god's punishment for suicide is unjust
 
I've been reading suicidal near death experience accounts, and there are plenty of reports where people say they've learned that suicide is an act of rebellion against god's purpose for us, it's throwing this precious gift known as "life" back in god's face, and that people will be penalized/punished for their act of suicide. They'll remain miserable in a very dark place for hundreds or thousands of years, and god, or his angels, won't rescue them, since that's their punishment. I personally think such a punishment would be unjust in the eyes of a perfect, all-loving, all-just god. So, I don't think god is perfect, all-loving, and all-just if he's delivering such a cruel, unjust punishment. Lastly, here's a link which talks about souls being punished for suicide. You must scroll down to the Life After Life excerpt. There, you'll read about the punishment for suicide:

https://the-formula.org/near-death-experiences-suicide/

iamthat 27-09-2019 07:52 PM

And I have read that there is no Divine punishment for the act of suicide. The individual may feel remorse that they have killed their body and wasted an opportunity for learning, and they may have to face a similar situation in a future incarnation so they may perhaps choose a different course of action.

I suspect that the punishment of being miserable in a very dark place for hundreds of years is self-imposed. The person is so caught up in their own misery that they are closed to all outside assistance.

But the accounts of after-death experiences of suicides vary considerably.

Peace

ThatMan 27-09-2019 08:06 PM

I don't really think that the Creator is punishing someone but we are the ones who are punishing ourselves... Please try to understand that the Creator represents the absolute, why would He punish someone when we are all part of His creation? We are the ones who are punishing ourselves... Nevertheless, all good things come from Him, but as long we keep following the pleasures of the flesh, we keep on suffering.

Well, all these words come from my own life experience..

greenmxnz 27-09-2019 08:12 PM

Seeing that every day is truly a gift...
 
:hug2: I think the reason why there's a punishment from God regarding suicide is because life is truly a gift. In the depths of your life, God and the universe are both entities that reach out in unique ways in order to pull you out of the ditch that you may be in. Depression and suicide are both symptoms of a pessimistic perspective, and sometimes it may be extremely difficult to change one's perspective. Regardless of the punishment, there is one thing that should be understood.

:hug3: EVERYDAY IS GOD'S DAY. EACH DAY THAT WE EXPERIENCE IS A GIFT! AS WE WALK THIS EARTH WITH GRACE, WE SHALL NOT FORGET WHO WE ARE AND WHY WE CAME! :hug3:

inavalan 27-09-2019 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MattMVS7
I've been reading suicidal near death experience accounts, and there are plenty of reports where people say they've learned that suicide is an act of rebellion against god's purpose for us, it's throwing this precious gift known as "life" back in god's face, and that people will be penalized/punished for their act of suicide. They'll remain miserable in a very dark place for hundreds or thousands of years, and god, or his angels, won't rescue them, since that's their punishment. I personally think such a punishment would be unjust in the eyes of a perfect, all-loving, all-just god. So, I don't think god is perfect, all-loving, and all-just if he's delivering such a cruel, unjust punishment.

As far as I believe / know, that isn't accurate. There is no punishment for suicide. It's fake information.

MattMVS7 27-09-2019 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by iamthat
And I have read that there is no Divine punishment for the act of suicide. The individual may feel remorse that they have killed their body and wasted an opportunity for learning, and they may have to face a similar situation in a future incarnation so they may perhaps choose a different course of action.

I suspect that the punishment of being miserable in a very dark place for hundreds of years is self-imposed. The person is so caught up in their own misery that they are closed to all outside assistance.

But the accounts of after-death experiences of suicides vary considerably.

Peace


When you say that souls are self-imposing their own miserable afterlife that lasts hundreds or thousands of years, this implies it was their own free will (their choice) to do so. But, if it was their choice to be there, then it's their choice to get out, and if someone had the choice to get out of a miserable place, then it wouldn't take him hundreds or thousands of years to do it. Therefore, I don't think it was their choice to be there, or get out. Lastly, here's a link which talks about souls being punished for suicide. You must scroll down to the Life After Life excerpt. There, you'll read about the punishment for suicide:

https://the-formula.org/near-death-experiences-suicide/

BigJohn 27-09-2019 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MattMVS7
I've been reading suicidal near death experience accounts, and there are plenty of reports where people say they've learned that suicide is an act of rebellion against god's purpose for us, it's throwing this precious gift known as "life" back in god's face, and that people will be penalized/punished for their act of suicide. They'll remain miserable in a very dark place for hundreds or thousands of years, and god, or his angels, won't rescue them, since that's their punishment. I personally think such a punishment would be unjust in the eyes of a perfect, all-loving, all-just god. So, I don't think god is perfect, all-loving, and all-just if he's delivering such a cruel, unjust punishment.

To resolve this issue, look at another God/ belief system.

Not that easy........

It is hard to believe that our own belief system can put us into a deep state of depression. Try to find one that is more joyful, etc.

Lorelyen 27-09-2019 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by inavalan
As far as I believe / know, that isn't accurate. There is no punishment for suicide. It's fake information.

Agree. If anything the idea emerges from one or more versions of the Abrahamic faiths - Christianity from the tone of the o/p.

It isn't the case with Shinto or Vodou.

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John32241 28-09-2019 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MattMVS7
I personally think such a punishment would be unjust in the eyes of a perfect, all-loving, all-just god. So, I don't think god is perfect, all-loving, and all-just if he's delivering such a cruel, unjust punishment. Lastly, here's a link which talks about souls being punished for suicide.


Hi,

The crule unjust punishment you speak of is in the minds of those who say such things. God in my mind, is a lot more like you in this instance.

John

neil 28-09-2019 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by inavalan
As far as I believe / know, that isn't accurate. There is no punishment for suicide. It's fake information.


Correct...there is absolutely no punishment whatsoever.

And also, the concept of suicide is false.


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