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Burntfruit 23-04-2019 04:48 PM

Can you relax on a meadow and close your eyes?
 
Can you do this in the afterlife - or will you get teleported or fall through the grass? Or are you even allowed to sleep??

Please tell me, thanks

inavalan 23-04-2019 05:34 PM

In the afterlife you aren't on Earth anymore. You don't have a physical body.

Burntfruit 23-04-2019 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by inavalan
In the afterlife you aren't on Earth anymore. You don't have a physical body.

Where do you think grass and earth came from bro?

linen53 23-04-2019 10:25 PM

Yes, you are on Earth but on a higher vibration/plane.

Yes to your question.

We don't need to sleep though we can if we want to. I have heard the plants on the other side are more vividly colored (some colors we have never experienced on this side) and alive and we are aware of their aliveness in ways we can't connect with plants here.

That said, I am currently reading a book on tree/forest communication. So our plants here on this side do communicate and trees actually have a brain! but we are not spiritually or psychically able to connect with them like on the other side.

So you can imagine yourself laying in grass that is aware of you, wiggle your fingers and toes in said grass and feel nothing but pure joy. :hug:

Native spirit 23-04-2019 10:32 PM

The answer to your question is yes if you want to lay down in a meadow you can do.some spirit crave the taste of food for a little while but it soon passes.
Linen is correct in what she says about color..I know from one of my NDE experiences the color is so vibrant so clear .


Namaste

Rah nam 23-04-2019 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by inavalan
In the afterlife you aren't on Earth anymore. You don't have a physical body.





I agree with many things inavalan says, not quite here, depending what we understand by "afterlife". No we don't have a physical body, but then what is physical, ultimately all energies are physical to some degree. I would suggest physical to a lesser degree.
And as we cross over we remain on Earth until such time we are ready to fully cross over, leave Earth to the astral realm. Hens the light tunnel, that some see. Yes, many will leave strait away, if they are ready.


In the earth realm an entity can do what it believes it can do. Jump, fly, go through walls. Water is a subject I can not quite get my head around. What happens to those who drown. I am told they don't go to the bottom of the ocean, they will find themselves somewhere else, not exactly sure where.
In some kind of vortex.

janielee 24-04-2019 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rah nam
I agree with many things inavalan says, not quite here, depending what we understand by "afterlife". No we don't have a physical body, but then what is physical, ultimately all energies are physical to some degree. I would suggest physical to a lesser degree.
And as we cross over we remain on Earth until such time we are ready to fully cross over, leave Earth to the astral realm. Hens the light tunnel, that some see. Yes, many will leave strait away, if they are ready.


In the earth realm an entity can do what it believes it can do. Jump, fly, go through walls. Water is a subject I can not quite get my head around. What happens to those who drown. I am told they don't go to the bottom of the ocean, they will find themselves somewhere else, not exactly sure where.
In some kind of vortex.


Hi Rah Nam

By earth realm, are you talking about the astral or actually just left here on Earth?

Are you saying that entities left here can do what they want, then why would the water be "in some kind of vortex"

JL

neil 24-04-2019 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by inavalan
In the afterlife you aren't on Earth anymore. You don't have a physical body.



So you think & maybe believe that, in Spirit we will not have a physical body
In the Earthly sence of a physical organic body, yes you are correct, however we do & will have a body, that does experience life in a similar way as we do on earth, only more intense our feelings are to be.

& that body known as the spiritual body, which is an exact copy of the Earthly body, & of which emanates from 'us' the 'Soul'self, & the appearance of that spiritual body is dependent on the quality of 'Soul'self.

And we can lay upon grass, swim, climb, run, & more way more, within the spiritual lands & yes we can close our eyes & think/contemplate, but not sleep, as the 'Soulself is 100% conscious & aware & has no need for sleep.
If the spiritual 'Soul'self is in total harmony with Gods laws of love, then the 'Soul'self never tires, never depletes & will only grow more radiant.

Rah nam 24-04-2019 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by janielee
Hi Rah Nam

By earth realm, are you talking about the astral or actually just left here on Earth?

Are you saying that entities left here can do what they want, then why would the water be "in some kind of vortex"

JL





Some talk about the lower astral. I assume this is what I call the non-physical earth realm.
What my people call the astral realm is somewhere else in this solar system. I don't know which planet, and I was never told which.
Not the water is not the vortex. Those who die in the water, or in some other violent circumstances, end up in some kind of vortex. And I have come across several, one here in Australia where native Australians have been massacred, and in Germany in Buchenwald (concentration camp near Weimar)

What I wanted to say about water and spirits, they don't "mix".

It was mentioned, in other places, spirits can not cross water. Never gave it much thought, until I tried to figure out what happens to those who drown, die on sea.

janielee 24-04-2019 05:33 AM

I can't imagine that a "soul" (if we use such words) will be left to its own devices based on how it died.

neil 24-04-2019 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rah nam


Water is a subject I can not quite get my head around. What happens to those who drown. I am told they don't go to the bottom of the ocean, they will find themselves somewhere else, not exactly sure where.
In some kind of vortex.


Rah nam...your statement quoted is not very clear to me...A vortex...No.

They are simply seperated from their flesh, even if they are deep under the surface of water, & they will drift away from their body & will still be under the surface & can see their flesh body.
& then move away towards the surface & simply move towards land & do what ever they choose, but a smart move would be to make their way to the lesser Heavens, & spend considerable time there learning about the spiritual laws of love. Because without a knowledge of those laws one can find themselves on the wrong side of those laws & of which will see an unloving person depleting & growing ugly of appearance & radiance accordingly.

Nothing can or will stop a spiritual person from doing anything or going anywhere...not even ridding oneself of the flesh & earth life, by ones own doing can stop a person's desires.

neil 24-04-2019 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by janielee
I can't imagine that a "soul" (if we use such words) will be left to its own devices based on how it died.


Correct...the intelligence of the invisible spiritual universal matter, is monitoring all life in the spiritual universe of which 'we' are a part of.

& there is always somebody of the spiritual, who is always interested in our well being & even if no one is present when we are being disconnected from the flesh, someone will have an instant understanding that they are urgently needed by us & will drop everthing & can instantly be with us.

Rah nam 24-04-2019 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by janielee
I can't imagine that a "soul" (if we use such words) will be left to its own devices based on how it died.





Of cause they are not, yet as long a spirit is in the earth realm free will applies. Someone has to accept help before it can be given. And we arrive on the other side in the same state as we have left this side.

Rah nam 24-04-2019 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by neil
Rah nam...your statement quoted is not very clear to me...A vortex...No.

They are simply seperated from their flesh, even if they are deep under the surface of water, & they will drift away from their body & will still be under the surface & can see their flesh body.
& then move away towards the surface & simply move towards land & do what ever they choose, but a smart move would be to make their way to the lesser Heavens, & spend considerable time there learning about the spiritual laws of love. Because without a knowledge of those laws one can find themselves on the wrong side of those laws & of which will see an unloving person depleting & growing ugly of appearance & radiance accordingly.

Nothing can or will stop a spiritual person from doing anything or going anywhere...not even ridding oneself of the flesh & earth life, by ones own doing can stop a person's desires.





Your statement is noted

neil 24-04-2019 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rah nam
Some talk about the lower astral. I assume this is what I call the non-physical earth realm.
What my people call the astral realm is somewhere else in this solar system. I don't know which planet, and I was never told which.
Not the water is not the vortex. Those who die in the water, or in some other violent circumstances, end up in some kind of vortex. And I have come across several, one here in Australia where native Australians have been massacred, and in Germany in Buchenwald (concentration camp near Weimar)

What I wanted to say about water and spirits, they don't "mix".

It was mentioned, in other places, spirits can not cross water. Never gave it much thought, until I tried to figure out what happens to those who drown, die on sea.


Rah nam... I believe that your people, as you call them are not being 100% forth coming with you, in regards to the astral.
& how many times now is it that you have asked & or wondered of something & your people refuse to fill your inquisitive mind with the truth.
Mate..if I were you, i would seriously question everything about your so called people...I can tell you that I did constantly question the authenticity of the voices that i hear & they turned out to be far far less than they professed to be.

The word astral has been thrown around for so long & is totally distorted in truth & understanding.

There really is no astral, there is only a spiritual universe surrounding the earth & the totality of the earth & it's surroundings & all galaxies are totally lying within the spiritual universe, along side the Heavens although many many untold gazillions of light years apart.
Everthing & all energy, outside of the Heavens are of the same spiritual quality. Only in the Heavens does spiritual essence, radiance, abundance vary. As there are many levels/spheres within the Heavens, however they are all on the same plane of existence, although each successive level/sphere is more radiant than the former.

A person from higher spheres can walk from higher spheres through to the lowest sphere, although it would take a very very long long time.

No part of the earth is "lower anything"...the only thing that is lower on or around the Earth are all dark spiritual beings that are lurking around the earth...maybe you could question your people on that issue & more regarding Earthlings & the negative influences from very dark minded beings...i know that your people know the truth regarding those matters.

Anyhow consider if you choose to, even ask a question of me if you like. Regards Neil

neil 24-04-2019 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rah nam
Of cause they are not, yet as long a spirit is in the earth realm free will applies. Someone has to accept help before it can be given. And we arrive on the other side in the same state as we have left this side.


Rah nam...there is no other side...we are in the spiritual universe NOW....& so is all physicality...all galaxies & their contents are located within the spiritual.
We just move away from our flesh, & then the earth, & then the galaxy, & then just travel to the heavens, quickly & invisibly or slow & visibly.

Rah nam 24-04-2019 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by neil
Rah nam...there is no other side...we are in the spiritual universe NOW....& so is all physicality...all galaxies & their contents are located within the spiritual.
We just move away from our flesh, & then the earth, & then the galaxy, & then just travel to the heavens, quickly & invisibly or slow & visibly.





I wish you all the best on your travels
Hallelujah
Rah nam

neil 24-04-2019 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rah nam
I wish you all the best on your travels
Hallelujah
Rah nam


Very strange reply...very. & to be honest I was not expecting much more.

neil 24-04-2019 07:23 AM

The concept of the astral realms was formulated to confuse Earthlings.
& the false & deceitful concept of the astral & the astral police was also formulated & put in action by dark minded beings in order to stop Earthlings from venturing to far from the earth, to stop earthlings from discovering the truth. Because as the deceitful ones all to well know, the universe is all spiritual. Everything exist along side all else, many untold gazillion of light years apart...there is no other side.

& the dark ones who have an unloving & unhealthy vested interest in the people of the earth, created the concept of the invisible spiritual veil & the concept of the astral & or lower astral planes, and the very false concept of the "astral police"

Believe it or not, it is all for anyones considerations & wonderings...

Ps too many spiritual entities, loiter around the Earth in groups. And pass themselves of as all manner of guides, monads, angels, gods, whilst all the while hidden behind invisibility & negative spiritual abilities, & only presenting themselves visualy in dreams or visions...these kinds of people should not be trusted.

janielee 25-04-2019 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rah nam
Of cause they are not, yet as long a spirit is in the earth realm free will applies. Someone has to accept help before it can be given. And we arrive on the other side in the same state as we have left this side.


Mm, You mentioned angels cross over immediately - is that right?

And Rah nam, you mention vortex - I presume it's an emotional vortex. Can happen to anyone.

Namaste,

JL

Rah nam 26-04-2019 04:49 AM

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Mm, You mentioned angels cross over immediately - is that right?]
This is correct


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And Rah nam, you mention vortex - I presume it's an emotional vortex. Can happen to anyone.
No it can not happen to anyone, it is more like a protective shield. Preventing further damage to the energy structure of the spirit.
I only can point to two incidences I was part of, one was a mass shooting of Australian natives here in Melbourne (Blackburn) the other one was in Germany Buchenwald the concentration camp near Weimar.
I was just the medium in this events.

janielee 26-04-2019 06:00 AM

Oh I see - I thought you earlier post meant they were stuck in a vortex. But you mean they have a shield around them. Noted.

Thanks for the conversation.


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