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disconnected 26-05-2017 07:11 AM

Affirmations Don't Work For Me
 
Don't Waste Your Time Or Energy

It's Pointless...

Baile 26-05-2017 08:39 AM

That's a very powerful affirmation. Sounds like it's working for you in your life, unfortunately.

ocean breeze 26-05-2017 09:00 AM

Because you're disconnected. :tongue:

disconnected 26-05-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ocean breeze
Because you're disconnected. :tongue:


haha wouldn't that be nice... if you have any ideas let me know :)

slowsnake 26-05-2017 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
Don't Waste Your Time Or Energy
It's Pointless...

Hello,I totally agree...
I am still waiting for Kylie Minogues hotpants...lol,hahaha.

Kind Regards Billy.

PS..With Kylie in them!

disconnected 26-05-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake
Hello,
I totally agree...
I am still waiting for Kylie Minogues hotpants...lol,hahaha.
Kind Regards Billy.
PS..With Kylie in them!


haha well you're allowed to dream buddy... just don't call it an affirmation :P

apparently the word affirmation was invented in the early 15th century and it's original meaning was - "assertion that something is true"... so yeah... i guess that explains itself

Baile 26-05-2017 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
let me guess you believe in the law of attraction too ??

an affirmation is a man made invention... not truth !!

Not sure what the ?? and !! is all about, I was simply pointing out that you believe it's all pointless. And you also say things like "We're already in hell," and "Being spiritual is hogwash." Your attitude and beliefs appear to be working for you. And I say unfortunately because it doesn't sound like you're particularly happy in life.

disconnected 26-05-2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baile
Not sure what the ?? and !! is all about, I was simply pointing out that you believe it's all pointless. And you also say things like "We're already in hell," and "Being spiritual is hogwash." Your attitude and beliefs appear to be working for you. And I say unfortunately because it doesn't sound like you're particularly happy in life.


those are question marks and exclamation marks... punctuation of sorts

when you see the world for the lie that it really is... and i sincerely hope you never do... then you may begin to understand why i would use such words

attitude and beliefs have nothing to do with it... if i have false beliefs that we live in a utopia... that wouldn't change anything... i would simply be lying to myself and why would i want to do that? i could affirm that to myself over and over again but hey... i would just be wasting my time... affirmations are a hoax

awareness 26-05-2017 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
Don't Waste Your Time Or Energy

It's Pointless...


Welcome to Spiritual Forums.

My friend, what is "pointless" (and hilarious) is outright telling people in a forum category about Affirmations to not use them, when it is certain that almost 100% of the people who generally post in this category have a great interest in them, and also that your message is self-contradictory,

Because you just used an affirmation yourself; you affirmed something that you feel is true (to some degree), that being "Affirmations don't work, it's pointless."

An affirmation, at its root, is simply a statement of belief/conviction, or something that is wanted. People affirm all the time, whether one realizes it or not.

When someone says, "I love you," that is an affirmation. When someone simply thinks something to be true, or something that they desire, this is an affirmation." For example, when a person thinks or feels, "I would like a new car," that is an affirmation.

Affirmations work 100%, but not how you and many people assume they would or should work. They are really intended to give a person a feeling, and that is what thoughts do, we have feeling-responses to our thoughts, and thoughts are indeed energy.

Affirmations work by helping people focus their energy on what they desire. They set forces into motion. Thought, desire, belief and feeling are connected, are forms of energy.

Of course, taking physical action is a valid part of the manifestation process. However, most people do not realize that the act of thinking thoughts is also a subtle form of action. This is a scientific fact, that thinking thoughts is something that affects brain chemistry, as well as the entire body system.

You said:

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apparently the word affirmation was invented in the early 15th century and it's original meaning was - "assertion that something is true"... so yeah... i guess that explains itself

You're right, it explains itself, and it also explains what you essentially did yourself with your assertion that "Affirmations don't work," which is something that you asserted to be true, as well as your similar assertion, "It's pointless," which you also asserted to be true.

You're doing a fantastic job of proving how effective affirmations can be:

Your assumption that they "don't work" is giving you a perception, a world-view, that shows you "proof" that they "don't work."

awareness 26-05-2017 12:38 PM

Disconnected,

The real power of an affirmation is to give a person a feeling of well-being in the moment, and when used in this manner, this propels people to act and create in loving and highly beneficial ways.

Forget for a moment about "Law of Attraction" and imagine, if you will, the very practical basis for using an affirmation to empower oneself to do good in the world.

There is nothing wasteful about that.

disconnected 26-05-2017 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness
Welcome to Spiritual Forums.

My friend, what is "pointless" (and hilarious) is outright telling people in a forum category about Affirmations to not use them, when it is certain that almost 100% of the people who generally post in this category have a great interest in them, and also that your message is self-contradictory,

look i understand where you are coming from although that is what you are meant to believe... doesn't mean it is absolute truth... your statement that 100% of affirmations work is simply false and misleading... i know that for a fact... no need to brainwash people with a lie... if people want to use affirmations to try and improve their life then so be it... doesn't mean they will have a 100% success rate if they have any success at all... how many times must one repeat a lie to make it truth? let's just call it an affirmation shall we

disconnected 26-05-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness
Disconnected,

The real power of an affirmation is to give a person a feeling of well-being in the moment, and when used in this manner, this propels people to act and create in loving and highly beneficial ways.

Forget for a moment about "Law of Attraction" and imagine, if you will, the very practical basis for using an affirmation to empower oneself to do good in the world.

There is nothing wasteful about that.


well that's all relative...

the ideology is warm and fuzzy i'll give you that much

SaturninePluto 26-05-2017 01:00 PM

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Posted by Awareness
Your assumption that they "don't work" is giving you a perception, a world-view, that shows you "proof" that they "don't work."

Or to reference the bible, great work imo, "Be unto you according to thoust faith".

Probably that is not exactly as written, but the scripture essentially reads- Be it unto you according to your faith

Seems to speak volumes here.

Disconnected states an affirmation- Affirmations don't work- often with unpolluted faith and intent and God/ the universe listens and states- According to your faith: Affirmations don't work.

This is true- only because with will, faith, and intent it has been Affirmed as such.

I simply let others affirm what they will.

It is the ops willful affirmation after all. :hug3:

Lumin 26-05-2017 01:29 PM

disconnected, just cause you don't believe in affirmations doesn't mean that they won't be of help to other's. They probably don't work for you cause of the factor of you dismissing the power that lies in them.

awareness 26-05-2017 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
look i understand where you are coming from although that is what you are meant to believe... doesn't mean it is absolute truth... your statement that 100% of affirmations work is simply false and misleading... i know that for a fact... no need to brainwash people with a lie... if people want to use affirmations to try and improve their life then so be it... doesn't mean they will have a 100% success rate if they have any success at all... how many times must one repeat a lie to make it truth? let's just call it an affirmation shall we


I didn't state that affirmations have a 100% success rate, in the sense that the person will receive what they think they want. When I stated 100%, I was obviously referring and defining "affirmations" in a different manner than you, and I gave clear examples of my understanding of what affirming really is.

Your idea of "success rate" is based upon what you see and hear with your eyes in a very materialistic sense, instead of a deep intuitive understanding. I stated that affirmations work by giving people a FEELING. That part you glossed over and didn't really catch.

Affirming is really about creating an internal FEELING. Affirmations always work because they work in conjunction with a person's beliefs. I never said, for example, that a person who affirms, "I have a million dollars" will get their million dollars through affirming it in that manner. The person who affirms such a thing WILL receive 100% exactly what they inwardly FEEL they deserve, based upon their predominant beliefs and self-perception of themselves.

THIS is how affirmations work, my friend. NOT how you highly erroneously assume they would, if true (which is how many, many people tend to assume). Your definition/understanding/perception of "affirmations" is very narrow.

This is largely why you feel so disillusioned and angry about them, on a quest to tell the world, so to speak, how they "don't work." I suggest expanding your definition/understanding of what affirmations essentially are.

Well, you spoke of success, let's see how successful you are in convincing people here that they "don't work," when MOST of the people who post in this forum category would tell you that they have indeed had some success with using affirmations (and this is not mere conjecture).

If you actually read many of the posts in this category, this alone will show you how little your negative input about affirmations would convince anyone of your "truth" about them in this community.

Baile 26-05-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
the ideology is warm and fuzzy i'll give you that much

If I decide I wish to feel warm and fuzzy, I can pretty much conjure up that reality. It might take snuggling in a blanket, but it can be done. In a sense, that's all awareness is saying with the comment: "The real power of an affirmation is to give a person a feeling of well-being in the moment."

The part of that comment you seem to be struggling with has more to do with this I think: "It propels people to act and create in loving and highly beneficial ways."

If you're unwilling to concede that life is meant to be a conscious exploration of loving action, for the benefit to all, then of course you will oppose any thoughts or beliefs along those lines. So this whole thread and dialogue isn't about affirmations and whether they're true. What it is, is revealing, via your own words, your intent and the actions you take, and whether they're loving and of benefit. Are they? Do you think they are?

awareness 26-05-2017 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SaturninePluto
Or to reference the bible, great work imo, "Be unto you according to thoust faith".

Probably that is not exactly as written, but the scripture essentially reads- Be it unto you according to your faith

Seems to speak volumes here.

Disconnected states an affirmation- Affirmations don't work- often with unpolluted faith and intent and God/ the universe listens and states- According to your faith: Affirmations don't work.

This is true- only because with will, faith, and intent it has been Affirmed as such.

I simply let others affirm what they will.

It is the ops willful affirmation after all. :hug3:


I didn't read a word of what you said. . .I'm looking at the sexy new picture you put up! :love8:

But really I did read it, and it is full of deep heart wisdom, sister. Awesome.

disconnected 26-05-2017 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SaturninePluto
Or to reference the bible, great work imo, "Be unto you according to thoust faith".

Probably that is not exactly as written, but the scripture essentially reads- Be it unto you according to your faith

Seems to speak volumes here.

Disconnected states an affirmation- Affirmations don't work- often with unpolluted faith and intent and God/ the universe listens and states- According to your faith: Affirmations don't work.

This is true- only because with will, faith, and intent it has been Affirmed as such.

I simply let others affirm what they will.

It is the ops willful affirmation after all. :hug3:


So we must have faith that affirmations work and all will be well?

I'm a little confused with your statement... does God have an agenda or does the universe just let us conjure up anything we wish for... sorry i meant to say affirm.

disconnected 26-05-2017 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Luminarium
disconnected, just cause you don't believe in affirmations doesn't mean that they won't be of help to other's. They probably don't work for you cause of the factor of you dismissing the power that lies in them.


i guess it depends on what sort of help they're looking for

search and ye shall not always find

awareness 26-05-2017 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
well that's all relative...

the ideology is warm and fuzzy i'll give you that much


And your original post is all relative, my friend. What is your point with that?

The ideology I gave wasn't really all warm and fuzzy. . .but yes, what I just stated there is relative. (The ideology simply says, as its basis, that people create/manifest based upon their core beliefs about themselves.)

What you're doing is also a form of affirming desire/belief, and you're basically claiming not to be doing it, warning others that it is a "waste."

You are also posting messages that are "all relative," yet are telling me that my post was relative.

Again, what really is your point, my friend?

awareness 26-05-2017 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
i guess it depends on what sort of help they're looking for

search and ye shall not always find


"Seek and you shall always find what you subconsciously believe you are worthy to find."

THAT is essentially what Jesus meant. Every action has a corresponding reaction. This is basic physics.

disconnected 26-05-2017 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness
I didn't state that affirmations have a 100% success rate, in the sense that the person will receive what they think they want. When I stated 100%, I was obviously referring and defining "affirmations" in a different manner than you, and I gave clear examples of my understanding of what affirming really is.

where is the love? why are you being so negative?

i'm not here to convince anyone of anything... my belief is that affirmations don't work... and i don't see how that makes it an affirmation

and just because my belief is different to yours doesn't make it negative... you have simply framed it to be that way to force your argument

awareness 26-05-2017 02:12 PM

Actually I am enjoying my interacting with you, disconnected. The love is in my heart.

You are caught up in words. Affirmations, by the way, are not about words. They are about feeling/vibration. Everything is energy. Again, basic physics at work here.

You are entitled to your belief, of course. Remember, you were the one who came online and started a thread telling people what NOT to do, disregarding the fact that most people here OBVIOUSLY feel positive about using affirmations.

You think what you did is positive? Be real. It's all fine, though. I am sharing insights just as you are. We are equals.

disconnected 26-05-2017 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Baile
If I decide I wish to feel warm and fuzzy, I can pretty much conjure up that reality. It might take snuggling in a blanket, but it can be done. In a sense, that's all awareness is saying with the comment: "The real power of an affirmation is to give a person a feeling of well-being in the moment."

The part of that comment you seem to be struggling with has more to do with this I think: "It propels people to act and create in loving and highly beneficial ways."

If you're unwilling to concede that life is meant to be a conscious exploration of loving action, for the benefit to all, then of course you will oppose any thoughts or beliefs along those lines. So this whole thread and dialogue isn't about affirmations and whether they're true. What it is, is revealing, via your own words, your intent and the actions you take, and whether they're loving and of benefit. Are they? Do you think they are?


i believe "for the benefit to all" is smart marketing... unfortunately the facade is exploited for tyranny and absolutely atrocious behaviour by many preaching the whole "conscious exploration of loving action"... i'm not pointing the finger at you... simply an observation of the world... yes i believe my actions are loving and for benefit... otherwise i wouldn't bother commenting

disconnected 26-05-2017 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness
And your original post is all relative, my friend. What is your point with that?

the point is that affirmations don't work as per original post

disconnected 26-05-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness
"Seek and you shall always find what you subconsciously believe you are worthy to find."
THAT is essentially what Jesus meant. Every action has a corresponding reaction. This is basic physics.

do you really believe that?

awareness 26-05-2017 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
i believe "for the benefit to all" is smart marketing... unfortunately the facade is exploited for tyranny and absolutely atrocious behaviour by many preaching the whole "conscious exploration of loving action"... i'm not pointing the finger at you... simply an observation of the world... yes i believe my actions are loving and for benefit... otherwise i wouldn't bother commenting


That is a much more honest approach. Getting right to it, instead of posting exaggerated messages about a practice not working. Your initial post lacked that honesty. It was like a short rant, without deep substance.

I kept responding in this thread, so as to see more depth of what you are sharing, and I sincerely believe and feel that you have much depth to share.

disconnected 26-05-2017 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness
Actually I am enjoying my interacting with you, disconnected. The love is in my heart.

You are caught up in words. Affirmations, by the way, are not about words. They are about feeling/vibration. Everything is energy. Again, basic physics at work here.

You are entitled to your belief, of course. Remember, you were the one who came online and started a thread telling people what NOT to do, disregarding the fact that most people here OBVIOUSLY feel positive about using affirmations.

You think what you did is positive? Be real. It's all fine, though. I am sharing insights just as you are. We are equals.


hey if you're being honest then i love you all the more for it

awareness 26-05-2017 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
do you really believe that?

Not only do I believe it, I practice it and know it works well for me, every day.

awareness 26-05-2017 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
hey if you're being honest then i love you all the more for it


I truly am loving this interaction, disconnected.

I actually agree with some of what you related to Baile. There is indeed quite a bit of dishonesty in the marketing of such things, and your bringing this to attention is something that many people in this community who may read this thread might want to consider, if they aren't very aware of this.

Baile 26-05-2017 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
unfortunately the facade is exploited for tyranny and absolutely atrocious behaviour by many preaching the whole "conscious exploration of loving action"... i'm not pointing the finger at you.

Yet here you are, preaching all this cynical and snide "Let me guess you believe in the law of attraction too ?? an affirmation is a man made invention... not truth !!" rhetoric.

You really had no other "loving" action to take part in at SF, other than starting a discredit-thread in a sub-forum so as to invalidate the particular belief? This is your idea of positive, productive participation and action?

Lumin 26-05-2017 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by disconnected
i guess it depends on what sort of help they're looking for

search and ye shall not always find

That concept would apply more to you, taking into consideration the meaning of your username 'disconnected'.

Baile 26-05-2017 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Luminarium
That concept would apply more to you, taking into consideration the meaning of your username 'disconnected'.

I was pretty cynical and disconnected from life in my 30s. I know life doesn't give answers exactly when someone could use them and/or is desperate for them. So that is a reality. Incidentally I've been drug-free since then. And I am going to suggest that the real reasons for the things being discussed here haven't even been touched upon.

Lumin 26-05-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Baile
I was pretty cynical and disconnected from life in my 30s. I know life doesn't give answers exactly when someone could use them and/or is desperate for them. So that is a reality. Incidentally I've been drug-free since then. And I am going to suggest that the real reasons for the things being discussed here haven't even been touched upon.

I was referring to the user ‘disconnected’, and how they’re choosing to act. As if it’s benefitting them in any way.

Baile 26-05-2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Luminarium
I was referring to the user ‘disconnected’, and how they’re choosing to act. As if it’s benefitting them in an."y way.

Right, I understand. But if this were years ago and the way I used to feel, I would have named myself "Miserable In Life" or "Black Hole." So I see it not so much about benefiting anything, but just expressing how one is feeling. I get what you're saying: create it, and that's what you will experience. But when I was experiencing life as a black hole, there was nothing that could convince me life was happy in any way. I was unhappy, and that's all I saw and all I could muster.

Lumin 26-05-2017 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Baile
Right, I understand. But if this were years ago and the way I used to feel, I would have named myself "Miserable In Life" or "Black Hole." So I see it not so much about benefiting anything, but just expressing how one is feeling. I get what you're saying: create it, and that's what you will experience. But when I was experiencing life as a black hole, there was nothing that could convince me life was happy in any way. I was unhappy, and that's all I saw and all I could muster.

I understand that, at the times that is how you’re feeling it is hard to cope with it cause of how it leaves you feeling. When one doesn’t want to accept that, hard to see that feeling of it changing - very hard.

Silver 26-05-2017 03:05 PM

To a degree, I think the op is right mainly because humans are quite suggestible and if that counts and is important for all our personal reasons we want them to work, so believing has the potential to make it happen for us.
Affirmations are a pipe dream of sorts - but it doesn't hurt or harm - or does it?

Baile 26-05-2017 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Luminarium
I understand that, at the times that is how you’re feeling it is hard to cope with it cause of how it leaves you feeling. When one doesn’t want to accept that, hard to see that feeling of it changing - very hard.

And also, impossible to convince them otherwise, even something as simple to understand as "Believing a thing to be pointless, is what makes it pointless." It's not even about affirmations; this is an essential understanding regarding basic spiritual self-development work. Even quantum physics is coming to this understanding: the outcome is dependent on the observer.

Baile 26-05-2017 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver
To a degree, I think the op is right mainly because humans are quite suggestible and if that counts and is important for all our personal reasons we want them to work

let me guess you believe in the law of attraction too ??
an affirmation is a man made invention... not truth !!


You're being kind and generous, very generous. :wink:

awareness 26-05-2017 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver
To a degree, I think the op is right mainly because humans are quite suggestible and if that counts and is important for all our personal reasons we want them to work, so believing has the potential to make it happen for us.
Affirmations are a pipe dream of sorts - but it doesn't hurt or harm - or does it?


Hi Silver.

Relative to one's intent. Affirming from a place of feeling lack, not appreciating oneself nor others, would of course be a hurtful/harmful type of affirming,

While affirming something general such as, "I would like to feel better," if one were not in a good-feeling mood, is very much a positive, helpful mental suggestion.


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