What is Alzheimer's in a spiritual sense?
 

I'm not sure if this is the right section to post this topic in, but in a way it relates to death and the afterlife.
More in the sense that I'm curious as to what happens to the person after the body finally gives in and ceases to function.
I expect no one to give me a straight-forward answer, but thanks for your opinion, it means a lot to me.


Why does dementia and alzheimer's happen?
What are the causes?
Is the person someone once knew forever lost? Or is it simply a temporary loss of function because the body's brain is no longer capable of conveying rational thought or memory?
What are your opinions on the disease?

Thanks for replying if you chose to do so.
:smile:

All I can say from what I've read in recent times, is that it's caused by certain environmental toxins - of which there are a few and affect the brain.

They're not 'lost' - spiritually - that's what I believe. We (our physical self) land here on earth for a time. Our spirits aren't really based in the intellect - our bodies are.

It's interesting but also very sad for the loved ones.

Thank you Silver, for your reply.

AFAIK a sticky plaque builds up in brain tissue, normally lymph carries this plaque away but when the lymph system deteriorates as in old age, it is overwhelmed and no longer effective.

There is a strong genetic link, but environmental toxins can also play their part.

Personality deteriorates alongside memory, as brain function becomes impaired. If you believe in reincarnation then the true Self will be reincarnated, if not they've gone forever.

Alzheimers is fatal, what starts as memory problems and erratic behaviours ends in loss of body function as the brain continues to deteriorate.

[quote=LonerWolf]I'm not sure if this is the right section to post this topic in, but in a way it relates to death and the afterlife.
More in the sense that I'm curious as to what happens to the person after the body finally gives in and ceases to function.
I expect no one to give me a straight-forward answer, but thanks for your opinion, it means a lot to me.


Why do other bodily failures occur?


Read up online - lots of info is available - are you really interested, though? Why other than as an academic exercise?


The physical person may be. Their animating spirit -their 'real' self - is not....



It's likely to be permanent in the physical body.



You may as well ask about opinion on ANY disease.

moms got it
askin why lovds 1s no long hear or bean 2 sea her
thn nxt or i saw thm othr day
thers 1 lady it speekss 2 thngs in mid airr she duz its k she can sea thm sum tims iv sean 1 or 2 pepel its not ther 2 but not tld no 1 id rahr keep it for hear or webs simlr 2 sf i wud
sorry if iv bean no hlp 2 u

We do not use our mind as we should; in fact, most people let their mind control them instead of them controlling their mind. I have been quieting my mind and doing silent meditation for more than 40-years, and when I first began I did not trust it because I felt we needed to think to live and do things but later came to learn that you can eat, dress yourself, and do other things while absolutely quiet inside.

Most people live by their head; they think they need their memory to live a fulfilling life but when you anchor your self in your own silent deeper presence there are no thoughts, no memories, or desires. Alzheimer’s to me is just another state of consciousness. Just like when a person blacks out, that is but another state of consciousness. We humans think of consciousness as the ability to think, remember, and desire, but those are but human expressions of consciousness and there is more to consciousness than human expressions.

The biggest thing in Alzheimer’s is the loss of memory, but as I have said, we can function without memory if we have conditioned ourselves to do so, as I have in quiet meditation. Memory is about the past while desires are about the future; when living in the moment memories and desires are diminished. When centered and still inside memory and desires can be nonexistent. Again, memory is important when it comes to recognizing loved ones and knowing how to do certain things. However, if a person learns how to exist in inner silence without memory or desire, they may be able to anchor themselves in something deeper within them and be guided by that. Alzheimer's just may be another form of detachment, as practiced by many Buddhists who do not have Alzheimer's.

Memory is pervasive; it is not only something that happens in our head; the way we live our lives, sit, stand, eat, mannerisms, and other things, conditions our physical body with a sort of memory where over time we do things with our physical body without even thinking about it. Memory is not merely something that is in our mind, regardless, most people do not know their own mind, observe their own mind, or gain a modicum of mental mastery. We are all told to think the same way and if you have a different opinion others will want to criticize you for not following the status quo.

We have to learn how to stay awake regardless whether we have Alzheimer’s or not, even if we black out we have to be able to look around in that blackness and stay fully awake. This can usually only be accomplished by training; quiet meditation was the training which has worked for me. We know so little about the human mind but it is possible for us to learn about our own mind and not just go along with the majority view or what others are saying about our mind. No one should know you better than you know your self.:smile:

There is a book on my bookshelf by Michael Nahm which I read with astonishment. Unfortunately this book is in German and has no English translation as of yet. It's called 'Wenn die dunkelheit eine Ende findet'. Or 'When darkness comes to an end'.
The book, well researched and based tells of terminal mental diseases and illnesses which lead to visions, unexplained bodily changes and all those things which are possibly related.
The main point here though is that of those alzheimer patients who are near death there is, in many cases, about one hour before the final breath a sudden clearing of the brain and the person becomes quite normal and can explain his or her final wishes, desires and love.
Maybe there is something similar in English - but it does seem as if there are other realities here.

for me dnt need a book on it coz evry alz/dem is difrnyt 2 ech persn its got it
i no 1 thng its mentl tortsre for persn its got 2 deal of persn
i no coz mom had me torshd she did
shes is nursin faslty now

There are definite links between Alzheimer's disease and eating gluten in some cases.

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It's a result of diet and toxic build up of trace metals over time in the brain and body.

I'm not sure if its reversible through diet and detoxification. May already be cases of such regressions. but i doubt it will be advertised on the nightly news let alone be allowed to be published. Much like the cures to the majority of other diseases.

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”
― Hippocrates

Hi Lonewolf,

I've actually been looking a lot into this lately as I have a very dear friend with Parkinsons. It turns out there are similarities between Alzheimer's and Parkinsons and both are linked with environmental toxins causing damage. The last year I've spent researching and have run into some amazing research papers and discoveries around carbon 60 (C60) and it's ability to slow down and in some cases reverse Alzheimer's and other neurological damage.
In order to make this affordable for my friend and others I work with I ended up building a lab and am now producing C60 Oils.
www.C60Solutions.com (under construction-will be finished soon!)
There are numerous research papers linked on the RESEARCH page which might help you also. One which is not on it yet but will be soon is : Effects of Carbon Nanoparticles on the Aggregation of Alzheimers Beta-Amyloid Peptide (You may have to request the full research paper to see it or sign in with your University credentials) but it's well worth the read. I hope to have it up on the site soon. Do see the first one linked: 'A carboxyfullerene SOD mimetic improves cognition and extends the lifespan of mice'. Cognition and memory were enhanced.

When I find it I'm going to link a PhD who had Alzheimer's and experimented with C60's on himself in the early stage to try and stop it and had incredible success reversing it completely using C60's in Olive Oil.

So there is hope!

Looking at this from a Spiritual view point there is no cause for concern, what is being experienced is happening to the body/Mind only not the Spirit of your loved one, when the Spirit of your loved one sheds their Body there will be no impairment from the Alzheimer's the body/mind experienced.
In other words the Alzheimer's will only last (unless cured!) for as long as there is a body/mind.
So please be at ease, it happened on Earth and stays on earth and will not cross over with them. :)

Hello

This is one that I deal with many times when a loved one has passed not knowing whom they were or whom anyone is around them. Why does it happen, like so many things we can come to get it might well be one of those Soul Path contracts of experience that we go through. Life holds many challenges in the human form we are, and so many do not seem fair for us to face or still be facing.

What I know is that when one passes that all is cleared from them, even if one does not know whom one is there still is help in crossing open. There is always a part of the person still there consciously to take forth the journey forwards. Much like a coma victim they hear you on some level of consciousness.

I am not sure there is a concrete cause for much of what we get I feel at times its so multi layered in our DNA and environment that at times its a wonder any of us are here.

Too loose one's mind is the worst loss of all I feel....much like someone trapped in a body that does not function from birth, their consciousness is there but they are not able to express that.

Lynn

I've channelled people in spirit who suffered with Alzheimer's in life and they explain when they pass over what afflicted them on a physical level is no longer in situ because the connection to the physical (the body) is eliminated and we become pure consciousness, we go back to existing on a purely spiritual level afflictions not withstanding, you will be re-united in spirit hope that reassures you.

Quote from Seth (channeled by Jane Roberts):

"each case of senility is different, but generally speaking, the personality transfers the vital parts of consciousness into the next area of existence, and is often fully aware there, and functioning."

Recommendation
 

I strongly recommend that you read the following book by Robert Crick: Journeying with Jeanette: A Love Story into the Land and Language of Alzheimer’s. It has a supernatural ending that will completely surprise you.

Would you please expand on 'supernatural ending that will completely surprise you'? You can mark it as *** spoiler *** tobe avoided by those who want to read the whole book without knowing its ending in advance.

My opinion is dementia, is caused by depression, usually brought on by trauma or stress in older age....or life long depression, sadness, or an undercurrent of depression....which the brain cannot bounce back from as one ages. It is loss of cognitive functioning. However, that does not mean loss of feelings or spirit...its loss of mind and body function.

I think it is determined by health and diet in the body.... as how far it progresses for some, and by level of spiritual or emotional health.

In a way, it seems to be a loss of will to function or be happy in the physical life, for many. That doesn't explain all cases, but the ones Ive seen working in health care, I would say the majority.

The spirit health is always #1 in diseases...but the body health is also determined by diet, exercise, stress and other factors, too.

This is my way of not candy coating the subject.

I have my personal beliefs, about why more people suffer dementia these days...than ever before...and I think it's a combination of our poor diets, not living by the laws of nature, and by families not living unified and together in close knit communities where they care for each other like the old days. Now they are in nursing homes, instead of in tribes of families. But, that goes into a whole other subject about how the "system" is set up.

A preparation for re-birth ~

I have read that the metaphysical cause of alzheimer's is it is a means of escape for the person. Gradually the person is less and less cognitive of life till they finally have total escape. No people don't ask for the disease but perhaps deep inside they don't want to deal with something any more.
Disease split down is dis-ease.
"Death where is thy sting". There is only a physical death and the spirit/consciousness/soul lives on.
I also don't believe in a punishing God. Why would God give us free will then send us to hell for using it? Sorry but I don't think God would do that. These are my thoughts about it after realizing God is total unconditional love.

i thng i lern evry alz/dem ersn persenn its got is diftrtn thy all say weid thngs coz thy dnt no thy sayin it
boooks dnt tell u full stroy thy dnt only way u lern abot it is sean it st hnd yore slf
iv sean mom go frm fogetin thngs thn getin dignoz of dem/alz lsoin 0 40 yrs of prt of her memmry

its a 100 % spiritual event its the soul detaching it self from the body / brain
and its incarnated functions disintegrate . people who do this cant survive in the situation they are in . cant deal with the conscious energies that are way to different than what they have settled in and got used too ,The energy environment has changed to much , that's Alzheimer , Parkinson is different its karma of a kind of energy stealing , a kind in which the person rules over others in a wrong way and eventually breaks him down, so miss use of collective energy

Ayurveda deeply deciphers this disease. Direct ratio with food.

Would you care to elaborate, or point to a book or website that discuss it?

You might be interested in reading the book Stop Alzheimer's Now! by Bruce Fife.

Why it happens? The same unknown reason why all other diseases happen. But Alzheimer is a physical condition, so I guess the soul in the afterlife isn't affected by it since it's non-physical.

I have to agree with lynn when we pass our ailments stay here.

Namaste

My mom always feared death...after an NDE in 1954 and it was very scary...
my mom was raised with the fear of a hell from her Catholic stuff...
she also was not what you would say a 'good person'.
Thus, she had huge guilt covered over with bitterness and meanness.
Being her caregiver ...I saw how her dementia made her forget all her badness...it made it
easier for her to pass over peacefully in her bed.


That's my input. :)

Doesn't it perhaps indicate that the soul/spirit consciousness and the body/human consciousness are two very separate thing? One will cease to exist (our sense of being alive) while the other takes a copy of us on for its own learning?
That isn't necessarily what I ascribe to, but I have wondered about diseases that affect the brain and why they would change us, if we were immutable eternal spiritual consciousness.

We as soul/spirit are conscious beings experiencing the world of form through a physical body. That physical body is necessarily limited, but such limitations do not apply to the indwelling consciousness. The sense of being alive comes from soul/spirit consciousness, not from any body consciousness. I suspect that after the body has died we feel even more alive than we do now.

Diseases which affect the brain may change our patterns of behaviour and our ability to relate to the external world and other people, but they have no effect on our nature as consciousness. They simply affect the vehicle through which consciousness expresses itself.

There may be definite physical causes of Alzheimer's, perhaps caused by lifestyle choices and environment, but I also think that there is a spiritual component. The Soul is gradually withdrawing from the physical vehicle, perhaps because it has served its purpose for this incarnation. But until the body dies it becomes an empty shell, lacking intelligent awareness, functioning through old patterns. The lights are on but usually there is no-one at home. The previous occupant has moved on, but may sometimes come back for a brief visit.

Others may disagree - I have no personal experience of the subject.

Peace.

The understanding of the below comes when ones see and recognize the difference between Knowing and Memory.

Well, the body was not created (directly) by the eternal. Knowledge is eternal, material body is not.
The memory, to which Alzheimer describes the loss, is not really knowledge. Because memory can change and can be changed, even willingly.
So it is not eternal.

Knowledge, on the other hand is eternal, because it can not change, and it is always NOW and it is always True.

Memory needs time, because one need to 'recall' some past events in the Now and to use Judgement to compare what was past with what is now.
And by doing this is not knowledge but one's own personal opinion.

Humans utilize memory to be able to see, but Spirit, on the other hand, knows only.

The best explanation of Alzheimer is not the 'sickness' but the return to the state, in which Spirit is.

Are you implying that in spirit form we will not remember not have sense of our individual nature with conscious volition? I'm not sure what going back to spirit is means.

That is an interesting view. However, one of the hallmarks of gradual degenerative diseases such as this is that there are ups and downs, not just a constant decline. Your idea seems to imply that, if the spirit starts moving on, and the returns (you return to a higher state of lucidity in the body), then shouldn't you recall your spirit moving on? There are even many recorded instances of people regaining some lucidity at the very end of Alzheimers progression, withoit any paranormal recollection (though death bed visions do occur and appear to be a different phenomena, usually just before death)

When you know who you are, you do not need to remember.

When you know that you exist, you do not need to remember that you exist.

When you see what exists, you do not need to remember that it is there because you see it, right now.


It means, (as i have used it): Not having thoughts about future and not having thoughts about the past.
You do what you do NOW.
You see what you see NOW.
Nothing else matters.


What is there to remember, having everything that you need ?


Individual nature is learned nature. Each experience which one has collected since the believed making - getting out of the womb, baby time, childhood, teen, and adult - were learned and will be exchanged.

Behind this existential individuality is your real nature, your real being, and this you do need to remember NOW, because you have learned something else. (here is the remembering right usage, but only until you know)

You can clearly see that you do not regard your self as a child, any more than a baby, right ?
But remember what you liked, loved, did and made when you were a child. Look on how many things have you changed since then.

So what is holding you onto whatever you think of yourself now ?

Even now you look, see, compare and change. It goes Slower than previous stages, because of 'so many things going on' but finally it will change.

The question then is, in which direction do you want to go. (read: death by definition of the world, or Life by definition of God.)

There is something about that logic that doesn't quite make sense to me. If we have everything we need, why do we choose these so called physical adventures, or learning of any kind, for that matter? That desire for a change of some kind, must come from some place, presumably within ourselves. If there is a desire for change, then we do not already have everything we need. Growth and experience are a remembrance of some kind as well. Don't quite understand that.

Do you want to get a sense of God ?

Is it sensible to you that Dead remain Dead or is it sensible to you that God, which created life, can not die.

In the Pure spiritual sight, Sickness (including death) of any kind can not be true.
Understand that God created only the CHANGELESS and IMMORTAL.

IMMORTALITY means living for always. Changeless means no change at all. Literally. Immortality and Changelessness must be NOW too. Not in the past and not in the future.

But you can not deny that you are living in a world which is changing.

The Sensible question then is: "How can, what is changeless, change ?" and the Sensible answer to this is "If it is from God, it can not change."
(p.s. this is a pure Spiritual answer)


For all this, to make sense to you, you have to decide (for yourself) what is TURE.

If God is changeless, immortal and Good, would he create change, death and bad ?

Or could it be, that a very small part of his creation tried to spit itself from God, tried to create unlike God and now on earth you can 'imagine' to see 'sickness and death'


Growth - from the material point of view is necessary (only). Not because it is true, but because of the "Belief" that "Separation" from God is possible.
The Growth, here on earth can go in two ways: Towards hell or Towards heaven.

But obviously, the goal of hell can not be reached, because it is a growth of "PAIN" which everyone here on earth will recognize.

The only sensible growth, then, is towards happiness and God.


you have everything that you need from God.


because they are not from God and will disappear anyway.


Because so the separation from God is maintained.


The desire to change is there, because the recognition, that you have everything, is not there. Or else change would be undesired - that would mean to desire to have nothing at all.




I do not know if you can see what i see. I have a bit different understanding of the happenings.
My difficulty in writing this is that i'm looking from a singular point of view and trying to adapt this view to the dualistic way of thinking,
and this produces confusion because the meaning of what i write of can be interpreted in two (or more) ways.

So to conclude all this:



God can not destroy. To destroy, in the Spiritual sense would be SIN. So God does not do it.
Here on earth, death seems possible. But if you look closely, you will understand that death is not true:

"
Your Spirit is leaving one body, to enter another, and so from the spiritual sense, death is not.
Your Soul is changeless, but your experience on this earth is change.
"
(this is a graceful solution given you from God, because you asked for death (in this case) and god could only give you a "experience" of death.
It resembles what death would be:
Loosing of knowledge and loosing of the identity.
So your newborn needs to learn and to find its true identity. Which one will it be this time: The mortal or the Immortal one ? (p.s. God is knowledge)
)

But change can not be true. And the only choice you will ever have to make is between what is true and what is not.

The Growth (which is knowledge), which everyone needs to achieve, is simply this:

"Living God does produce only life, and only life is true. What is not true is not of God and so it can not be."


(p.s. whatever Growth on this earth means, it follows but the one rule of God which is expansion. The changelessness of Gods being means that it can not "not be expanding". And so, even in separation, expansion has to follow, even if it is not of God.)

thank you for the answer.
I just want to clarify one point, tough. You mentioned that what God creates is changeless. And yet, part of it split from God. If it made a decision to split, where once it hadn't, did it not in fact change? If it changes back, then it has changed again, as well.

hey CrystalSong I don't have long to put into this post unfortunately but I was skimming this thread and sparked to reply to something you said. well first of all I agree that 'environmental toxins' are largely to blame, though I blame most things unnatural and things unnatural for humans to consume etc as the causative factors of disease.. but besides that, when you said C60 I was reminded of the crystal shungite and hmm since your name is CrystalSong perhaps you are well familiar with it and that's how you got onto C60? that is amazing you made a lab to study and create elixirs to help people! But I am still not entirely sure how all of his works or if in fact C60 is a counterpart or replica of shungite so I'd love clarification and extrapolation from you if you don't mind.

In my opinion and own research, you cannot compete with or improve nature so I wonder why if it's true you are creating a lab born product instead of using pure shungite somehow?

I found this quick video, not sure how relevant it is but perhaps you could let me know.. I again am not 100% sure it's even similar to shungite which you're talking about as C60, but I did see research about shungite in the past and also that some fear its use in nanotechnology may be evil so I know it can be used in such ways or yes likely they tried to reproduce synthetic versions of it.. please help me understand all this better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHhHToybSfo

I definitely think something like shungite could help treat Alzheimer's and I'd love to learn more about its carbon structure and magic and whatnot, but I also think a lot of things from nature, especially the proper diet for the human species (which I understand to be primarily frugivorous) which in turn best heals the lymphatic system which was mentioned in a post on the first page, which is the body's waste management system and capable of ushering out environmental toxins and other toxic factors or improper functioning of the body and organs. I am glad to see that many seem to be aware that Alzheimer's is not just a mystery disease but a condition based in toxicity.. a very tragic inhumane one so I aspire to help heal people from suffering disorders in my lifetime too. We have so many wonderful things at our disposal and capabilities as the divine incarnated beings we are. As many discuss, there are often spiritual implications and lessons and everything that can be learned and experienced through suffering, but as Sparrow details in her massive thread about the ideal afterlife, we need not suffer to expand, grow, and have worthwhile experiences, so I hope enough of us can come together in my lifetime to end this nonsense..

It is a question of Point of View.

If you jump, who is jumping ? God or You ?

If you change, who is changing, God or You ?

If God knows the changeless, and you see a change, who has changed ? And what has changed ?

So changing back is not really a change, but a return to a state which is always. So the change from your perspective is only a return to what God knows. So it is not really a change at all.
This is what awakening means. When you awake, you recognize that you could not change what is changeless. And so Adam can awake safely. (Adam from the bible)

Knowing this is Healing. If God created perfection, then sickness can only be used as a recognition that perfection is and can not be changed.

Thank you for asking me these questions !

p.s. earlier today these thoughts came in and so i wrote them.